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MoChat 23 Transcript & Summary

Last night on #MoChat we were fortunate enough to have Mary Poplin, Ross Shain, and Martin Brennand from Imagineer Systems with us to talk about motion tracking, and mocha in particular. If you’re not familiar with it, mocha is a planar tracking system which tracks 2D planes instead of small points. At the end of the chat, Andres Arosemena won a seat of Mocha Pro for correctly answering the trivia question “What was the first Imagineer product to introduce Planar Tracking?” (mokey).

Some highlights from the chat

  • mocha AE 3.1 and mocha Pro can solve a 3D camera.
  • Mocha can be used to help with rotoscoping.
  • The Imagineer crew had good things to say about the 3D camera tracker built-in to AE.
  • Face Replacement tutorial.
  • You can upgrade from the bundled mocha to mocha AE 3.1 or mocha Pro at a discount.
  • The MochaImport+ (US$40) script will help with getting data rom mocha to After Effects.
  • A couple examples of work using mocha.
  • Places to get help with mocha.

See the transcript below for all the details.

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Welcome to #MoChat everyone. Tonight we’re talking motion tracking. We have guests here from to talk about Mocha AE/Pro.9:00 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Around 10:55 ET, we’ll have a trivia question. The first person to correctly answer will win a seat of Mocha Pro. #mochat9:00 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Before we start, does the crew want to introduce themselves? I know we have here. #mochat9:00 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Welcome to #mochat, Imagineer folks! #mochat9:01 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Hi There, thanks for having me. I am the product specialist for Imagineer Systems. I’ve been working with Imagineer since 2010. #mochat9:02 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Ross Shain and Martin Brennand are here as well. You’ve got a whole Imagineer Systems crew. #mochat9:03 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Hello everyone on Mochat #mochat9:04 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Hi folks, I am Ross Shain, CMO for Imagineer. #mochat9:04 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Despite the obscure twitter name, I’m Martin Brennand, product manager of Imagineer Systems. 🙂 #mochat9:05 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

welcome to mochat #mochat9:05 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Hey everybody, psyched for tonight #mochat9:06 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

So let’s start with the basics. Many of us know about point tracking with the built-in tracker. How is Mocha different? #mochat9:06 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

In basic terms, a point tracker only tracks tiny features, which can become blurred or easily obscured… #mochat9:07 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

and will also weigh in, but point and feature trackers grab specific small bits of data… #mochat9:08 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

The planar tracker in mocha tracks areas of texture over time, so can ignore many of the problems a point tracker runs into. #mochat9:08 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Mocha does planar tracking, I don’t know if the built in tracker does that. #mochat9:08 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

I thought the built in tracker just did 3D point tracking. #Mochat9:09 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

There’s a 3D camera tracker effect, and a separate point tracker in AE. #mochat9:10 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Specially a big one, like when the feature leaves the screen. A planar tracker solves this, a point tracker doesn’t #mochat9:10 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

mocha is actually not built into After Effects, it is a standalone program that ships with AE. All mocha tracks are planar #mochat9:10 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

planar tracking uses a smart image analysis engine to track larger areas…This means you can track impossibly hard shots. #mochat9:10 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

It seems like Mocha (Pro especially) can do a lot more than just basic tracks now. Can’t it be used in roto work as well? #mochat9:10 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Only my third time today using mocha for temp screen comps but I have to say it’s magic #mochat9:11 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Rotoscoping in mocha actually takes 1/3 of the time and 1/2 of the keyframes, becaue the roto moves with the track. #mochat9:12 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

: That is the one I was talking about. I know little of how it operates. Maybe will explain” #mochat9:12 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

mocha’s sweet spot is screen inserts, but wait until you try to track faces or out of focus shots. #mochat9:12 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Correct, and Roto is true even of the CS5 and CS6 version of the bundled mocha AE. In mocha Pro it can do a LOT much more. #mochat9:12 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

It is also very helpful when eliminating unwanted objects #mochat9:12 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Tune in to tonight’s #mochat featuring . Great op to get your questions answered about Mocha!9:13 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Thanks for adding the hashtag… I’m not good at that… #mochat9:13 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

i havent used Mocha so maybe ill learn something good tonight! #mochat9:13 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

How many of you know Mocha comes with , and has since CS3? #mochat9:13 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

the temptation is to only use mocha on hard shots, but I use it on all my shots because of the time savings #mochat9:14 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

My favorite demonstration of mocha yet is in Dave Torno’s face replacement work: http://t.co/JBtFhwLh #mochat9:14 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

*raises hand* i knew! #mochat9:14 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

j know it since cs4 #mochat9:14 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

I think we started bundling it in CS4. #mochat9:15 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

: love me some Mocha.” #mochat9:15 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

RT the temptation is to only use mocha on hard shots, but I use it on all my shots because of the time savings #mochat9:15 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

I had a question on the difference between AE built-in camera tracker vs mocha’s camera solver? #mochat9:15 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

There are lots that mocha Pro can do that the bundled mocha AE can not. http://t.co/kZhxBNOa #mochat9:15 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

I recommend looking at our tutorials online: http://t.co/BUyQfZAX #mochat9:15 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

right, i was talking about the built in 3d & point tracker added in CS6, I believe. #mochat9:15 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Well now I look silly. CS4, not CS3. #mochat9:15 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

RT : I had a question on the difference between AE built-in camera tracker vs mocha’s camera solver? #mochat9:15 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

sweet. will do! #mochat9:16 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Most useful! #MoChat9:17 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

David Torno rocks! This music video video was influenced by his face track tut: http://t.co/QOtRmCGO #mochat9:17 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

“Who is this? What’s your operating number?!” #mochat9:18 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

mocha uses tracked planes to solve the camera, whereas AE’s tracker uses points. Different methods for the same task. #mochat9:19 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

AE’s camera tracker uses traditional “feature tracking” while mocha’s uses planar to solve. #mochat9:19 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Ah, yes, got it. No, After Effects does not do any kind of planar tracking, just 3D tracking. But they do have point track #mochat9:19 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Are there certain shots that are better suited for Mocha’s camera solvers over the built-in? Or vice-versa? #mochat9:20 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

#mochat tracking planes versus point tracking. Much more rock solid!!!9:20 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

I used to get a lot of camera track/compositing jobs, but not anymore, fallen out of the loop lately. #mochat9:20 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

this might be biased. But I honestly think all tracks are better suited to Mocha. #mochat9:21 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

mocha is better for single plane set extensions than full set extensions, because we are solving for a plane not the scene #mochat9:22 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

2 CS6 Cam Tracker is not great with out of focus shots or really obscured bg’s. But it is very well designed! #mochat9:22 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

RT : Are there certain shots that are better suited for Mochas camera solvers over the built-in? Or vice-versa? #mochat9:22 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

that being said, the trickiest are more suited to mocha. Blur and warp, we got that covered #mochat9:23 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

So what are some good resources to learn Mocha? There were a couple of links going around already. #mochat9:24 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

RT : that being said, the trickiest are more suited to mocha. Blur and warp, we got that covered #mochat9:24 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

don’t forget targets that move out of frame! 🙂 keeps on tracking! #mochat9:24 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Where the mocha solver will find it hard is where you have a moving camera but only 1 plane to track, as there is no depth. #mochat9:24 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

(30 minutes to trivia question for a Mocha Pro seat.) #mochat9:25 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

hello peeples.. #mochat9:25 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

I think we are inclined to agree, but I am a little biased myself. #mochat9:25 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

oh oh the answer is 42!!! #mochat9:25 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

And mocha Pro exports to most 2D and 3D apps beyond AE. But again, we have lots of respect for the new AE cam tracker. #mochat9:25 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

damn it ronn you bumped my timeline lol #mochat9:25 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

aways 42 #mochat9:26 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Just to throw this out there… Anyone have cool mocha projects to share with us? Or challenging shots to try and stump? #mochat9:26 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

sawry #mochat9:26 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Welcome back Ronn! #mochat9:26 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

i forgive you… jerk. #mochat9:26 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

I see you guys brought your towels… #mochat9:26 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

don’t leave home without it #mochat9:26 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

RT . Anyone have cool mocha projects to share with us? Or challenging shots to try and stump? #mochat9:27 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Unfortunately my experience with Mocha AE as been basic screen comps. Fairly straight forward. #mochat9:27 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

I never panic 8) #mochat9:27 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Is there an upgrade path/discount to Mocha Pro for mocha AE owners? #mochat9:28 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

sadly my fav mocha job was already part of your old reel (and a tut with nuke) But still a fun track. #mochat9:28 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

RT : I think we are inclined to agree, but I am a little biased myself. #mochat9:29 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

I’m sure that Mary has more, but here are some links for getting help with mocha-AE: http://t.co/TxNTYtjz #mochat9:29 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

There sure is! http://t.co/P7V2yFpE #mochat9:29 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

This is one of my old fav customer videos. A great combination of motion design with difficult tracks. http://t.co/e7Vi5Dh4 #mochat9:29 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

I swear there was a sale on black friday.. for like 40% off I thought? #mochat9:29 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Excellent question! RT : Is there an upgrade path/discount to Mocha Pro for mocha AE owners? #mochat9:29 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

I thought there was. But if not, they always have amazing sales. I’ve been buying/upgrading since cs3 #mochat9:29 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

This is from a friend’s project, but how well would Mocha have worked for the root? http://t.co/M02Trgd3 #mochat9:30 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

We also have a forum, we are more likely to respond to it: http://t.co/TYLdlwEu #mochat9:30 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

. ROTO. #damnyouautocorrect #mochat9:31 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

I would Like to see more of this project. #mochat9:31 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Well, depending on the movement, mocha should really help with that roto. Full 180 degree turns still need love… #mochat9:31 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

I was picking up what you were putting down. #mochat9:31 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

What are some questions you have about Mocha? Now’s your chance to ask . #mochat9:32 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

There is an upgrade patch from the version that ships with AE to mocha AE and mocha Pro, heavily discounted. #mochat9:33 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

I’m drinking a mocha right now #mochat9:34 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

: I’m drinking a mocha right now #mochat” Ha. Anyone else?9:34 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

not sure if there is a g+ hangout after this tonight, but if so maybe some live Mocha is in order #mochat9:34 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

are there any feature differences on the camera tracker between pro & regular version? #mochat9:34 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

RT : There is an upgrade patch from the version that ships with AE to mocha AE and mocha Pro, heavily discounted. #mochat9:34 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

OK heres my Mocha question how does feel about the MochaImport script? Also how do U account for motionblur in roto #mochat9:35 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

The only thing I know of that stumps Mocha Pro is using the Remove tool with interlaced sources. #mochat9:35 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

http://t.co/Vh4mpaYB You can find details for upgrading there. #mochat9:35 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Yes – mocha Pro exports to FBX for Nuke, Autodesk and most 3D apps. #mochat9:35 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

How has round-tripping been improved for Mocha? I know when I started using it, it was a little cumbersome. #mochat9:35 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Interlacing just needs to go away and so many problems would be solved. #mochat9:36 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Mathias Möhl is a genius. We love his work. http://t.co/8T7KGftg #mochat9:36 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

We love #mochaImport. It helps solve some of AE’s limitations with corner pin and pre-comps. Mathias makes great training. #mochat9:37 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Thats actually one of the reasons we love the mocha import script by it makes roundtripping easier #mochat9:37 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

How do you guys plan to take this awesome tool and make it even more awesome sauce? Tell us secrets! #mochat9:38 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

For CS6 we add the “send to mocha” command and yes mochaImport is useful as well. #mochat9:38 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

they are adding bacon #mochat9:38 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

This is a conversation we have had before, Tim. I agree. 🙂 #mochat9:38 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

I know… but I can dream. #mochat9:38 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Will Mocha Pro always be something you upgrade to or will it be included eventually? #MoChat9:38 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Agreed. RT : Mathias Möhl is a genius. We love his work. http://t.co/1bnrN7Ou #mochat9:38 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Here’s an awesome project my buddy worked on using Mocha: http://t.co/Pr5roZEM #mochat9:39 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

it also just makes working between AE and Mocha more seemless. #mochat9:39 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Good question! We are hard at work at next gen planar tools: stereo, multi-view and a lot more cool stuff coming. #mochat9:39 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

(15 minutes until we post the trivia question for a chance to win Mocha Pro.) #mochat9:39 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

I really wish I thought of Mocha more often before I get to far into an impossible track #mochat9:40 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

We have a lot of things in the works. You’ll see some interesting features coming down the track. Oooh mystery! 🙂 #mochat9:40 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

RT : (15 minutes until we post the trivia question for a chance to win Mocha Pro.) #mochat9:40 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

RT : (15 minutes until we post the trivia question for a chance to win Mocha Pro.) #mochat9:40 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

In order to keep developing our tools with new ideas and features, we need to have mocha Pro be a purchasable upgrade. #mochat9:40 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

like i said… adding bacon >_< #mochat9:40 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

quick everyone look over there!!.. <<waiting for trivia>> #mochat9:41 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

RT : RT : (15 minutes until we post the trivia question for a chance to win Mocha Pro.) #mochat9:41 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Sweet project, I wonder if he’d want to contribute to our 2013 reel? We are looking for more contributions! #mochat9:41 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

How did Mocha end up being bundled with AE? Did Adobe initiate that or you? #mochat9:41 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

is there any intergration with #FCPX #mochat9:42 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

You can solve that issue by using mocha on every project at the start of the project, it has spoiled me! #mochat9:42 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Is there a by-month rental option? #Mochat9:42 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

That is good point. Once you use mocha more, it becomes a tool that you can rely on daily. #mochat9:42 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

I love suspense! Looking forward to seeing what you guys do. And another reason to upgrade from v3.0.1 Take my money #mochat9:42 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

mocha is my go to tracking tool now. I start there. #mochat9:42 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

The more you track, the more you see which shots require which technique. Scrub the timeline many times before tracking!! #mochat9:42 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

i’ll take your money. i already took your beer. #mochat9:43 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

We’re up to 3.1.0 now. 3.1.1 will be out next week! #mochat9:43 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

RT : is there any intergration with #FCPX #mochat9:43 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

thanks , I saw on upgrade versions you have this thing called a dope sheet? Its not related to WA states Init 502? #mochat9:43 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

There currently is not, but we have had people ask for it. It is something you can discuss w/ sales.com #mochat9:44 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

I use mocha regularly to do mattes for tricky grades. When a power window track won’t cut it. #mochat9:44 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

mocha v1 came first. Then we came out with mocha AE v1 on our own. Adobe team and the users helped make it happen. #mochat9:45 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

that’s kinda an awesome thought, never thought of it for that. #mochat9:45 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

RT : Interlacing just needs to go away and so many problems would be solved. #mochat9:45 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

(9 minutes until the trivia question.) #mochat9:46 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

that’s a great use of it #mochat9:46 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Sorry… Dope Sheet is geek for keyframe interface! #mochat9:46 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

The dope sheet is really handy for shortcutting tedious keyframe tasks. #mochat9:46 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

I recall exclaiming for joy when our product manager mentioned that we were talking with Imagineer about this. #mochat9:46 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

what was the thinking when u guys revamped product line and created mocha pro? #mochat9:47 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Ive been diving more and more into mocha AE. Im gonna pickup MochaImport cuz I hate having to cut & paste my tracking points info 8) #mochat9:47 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

RT : (9 minutes until the trivia question.) #mochat9:47 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

did I understand wrong or mocha can generate a 3D scene from the planar tracks?? I didn’t know it could do that #mochat9:47 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

We have not done anything to support FCPX, but we do support the newest Apple Motion. Who is using FCPX professionally? #mochat9:47 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

#mochat is happening now #VFX #planartracking #film #video #AVID #PremierePro #FCP9:48 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

anyone else catch the Coolio Zombie Mocha Demo at NAB in April? #mochat9:48 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

RT : (9 minutes until the trivia question.) #mochat9:48 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Does it resolve geometry? Or just solve for the camera? #mochat9:48 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Thats awesome, we love to hear about how our users are working with mocha! #mochat9:49 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Oh #SNAP wait were you asking for reals? #mochat9:49 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

RT : I’m sure that Mary has more, but here are some links for getting help with mocha-AE: http://t.co/TxNTYtjz #mochat9:49 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

it helps that I can export multiple mattes at once now. #mochat9:49 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

our 1st product was mokey, then monet, then motor. We simply got to a place where users wanted all the tools in one app. #mochat9:49 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Yes. Yes we were. We were asking if you wanted to send us stuff to potentially put on our 2013 reel. #mochat9:50 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

5… #mochat9:50 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

I’m using both, but I’m enjoying the ride with #FCPX #mochat9:50 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

RT : My favorite demonstration of mocha yet is in Dave Torno’s face replacement work: http://t.co/JBtFhwLh #mochat9:50 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

It’s just a camera solve with nulls. The nulls are still and the camera moves. Exports as AE or FBX to nuke or other 3D #mochat9:50 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

yeah I think I remember that demo was a hoot. #mochat9:50 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

omg omg omg!! #mochat9:50 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Yes. We actually are curious as to who is using FCPX for pro work. Is there a great need for mocha support? #mochat9:51 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

4… #mochat9:51 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

That would be excellent! I use it at work and change computers with every project so it makes more sense to rent. #MoChat9:52 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Sorry , no habla Mac.. #mochat9:52 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

An ti ci pation #mochat9:52 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

3… #mochat9:52 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

I didn’t know Mocha was capable of solving a 3d camera! that’s great news! #mochat9:52 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Thanks, we try to make the demos watchable and entertaining. #mochat9:52 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Good think we sprekken ze linux, mac, and PC then… #mochat9:53 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

ah mah gawd!! #mochat9:53 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

RT : #mochat is happening now #VFX #planartracking #film #video #AVID #PremierePro #FCP9:53 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

2… #mochat9:53 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

We’re also interested in any tutorials you would like to see, and if you have footage you would like us to try a tutorial with. #mochat9:53 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

1… #mochat9:54 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

RT : My favorite demonstration of mocha yet is in Dave Torno’s face replacement work: http://t.co/JBtFhwLh #mochat9:54 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

I hate that tweetchat has this delay.. Im not even in the running.. 8( #mochat9:54 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

I see a lot of vids showing the power of mocha but i can affrod the cost of buying it on Argentina #mochat9:54 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Absolutely. Try to stump us! The trickier the better, actually, because then we can show y’all how to solve hard shots. #mochat9:55 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

That’s kinda a cool idea using user submitted footage for tutorials, things never seem to work the way the tut’s show for me #mochat9:55 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

RT : 1… #mochat9:55 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Okay, here comes the question… first person to correctly answer will win a seat of Mocha Pro… #mochat9:55 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

I see on your site, mocha doesn’t support windows 8? #mochat9:55 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Here it is: What was the first Imagineer product to introduce Planar Tracking? #mochat9:55 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Monet #mochat9:56 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

mokey ! #mochat9:56 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Yeah, just make sure we have permission to use the shots and release a tutorial online using your footage. #mochat9:56 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Mokey #mochat9:56 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

bacon? #mochat9:57 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

er mocha? #mochat9:57 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

I’d love to see tutorials where the trainer tries to solve a shot with no prep so I can see the troubleshooting thought process. #mochat9:57 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

I will be sending out invites after all tonight for the Hangout after #mochat. Let me know if you are interested 🙂9:57 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Monet? #mochat9:57 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

#mochat … mocha?9:57 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

monet #mochat9:57 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

motor #mochat9:57 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Good idea! #mochat9:57 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

I actually make visits all over Los Angeles where I do just that in the studio. I am available for demos. #mochat9:57 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

monet sorry #mochat9:58 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

bate’s MOTEL? #mochat9:58 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

mocha-ae? #mochat9:58 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

RT : Id love to see tutorials where the trainer tries to solve a shot with no prep..see the troubleshooting thought process. #mochat9:58 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

monet… I sent it with a #mochat not a reply 🙁9:59 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

DAMMIT WHAT IS IT?!?! #mochat9:59 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Also we love to demo at user group meetings. Contact us if you are part of a local group. #mochat9:59 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

monet? #mochat9:59 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

And I do the same for Australia, although for some that may be more of a trip. 🙂 #mochat10:00 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

RT : Also we love to demo at user group meetings. Contact us if you are part of a local group. #mochat10:00 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

the correct answer is Turd Ferguson. #mochat10:00 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

The correct answer: Mokey. The first person to get it: . Congrats! #mochat10:00 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Nice one! #mochat10:00 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Awww. I mean YAY!! congrats… #golfclap.. 8) #mochat10:00 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Exactly, and by local users groups, we mean local to you. Not local to LA. #mochat10:01 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Congrats! I envy you! #mochat10:01 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

RT : The correct answer: Mokey. The first person to get it: . Congrats! #mochat10:01 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

great!!!!!!!!! Thanks!!! How does this work? Do I get a free license? #mochat10:01 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Gratz, Enjoy it! #mochat10:01 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Missed this in the flurry of #mochat messages. I need to upgrade! Thanks for the heads up!10:02 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Yes. We will put you in contact with the right people to get you your license. #mochat10:02 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Awesome topic/chat tonight! #mochat10:02 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

RT : The correct answer: Mokey. The first person to get it: . Congrats! #mochat10:02 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

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So that does it for tonight’s #mochat, but feel free to keep the conversation going.10:02 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Special thanks to and for joining us tonight and answering questions. #mochat10:02 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

Look for the #mochat transcript & summary tomorrow. Until then, #GoMakeSomething!10:03 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

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Congrats #mochat10:03 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

RT : I see on your site, mocha doesnt support windows 8? #mochat10:03 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

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RT : Special thanks to and for joining us tonight and answering questions. #mochat10:03 PM ET Dec 11th, 2012

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MoChat 22 Transcript & Summary

Last night on #MoChat we discussed title design. We talked about our favorite sequences, some that didn’t fit with their films, and working on our own. Some of the favorite sequences included Catch Me If You Can, Island of Dr. Moreau, Captain America, Superman (1978), Se7en, Fight Club, Six Feet Under, Game of Thrones, Murder by Death and many more. Some title sequences, while well done in their own right, seem to have a disconnect with the film. Examples brought up last night included Juno and The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo.

Many also had favorite designers, including Jay Bond (who was present in the chat as @jbcashmoney), Saul Bass, Kyle Cooper, Danny Yount, and Karin Fong. And there was a great conversation that followed, mostly spearheaded by @Oddernod, @jbcashmoney, and @robotika_org about creating titles. @Oddernod also linked a great post about the lessons learned from working on the Person of Interest titles (with a two-and-a-half week turnaround).

For many great write-ups on title sequences (and even some interviews), be sure to take a look at Art of the Title.

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Welcome to #MoChat everyone. Tonight we’re talking about title design. To start off, what’s everyone’s favorite title sequence & why?9:00 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Hey. Hard to pick a fav for me. In TV though Six Feet Under changed the game I think. I’m into the clean visual ones. #MoChat9:02 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Catch Me If You Can. Great homage to the title sequences of the era. #mochat9:02 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

damn you Paul! That’s what I was going to say! It’s just so well executed and clean as well! #mochat9:03 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I have a lot, one that really caught my attention several years ago was the opening titles of Seven. Loved the style #mochat9:03 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

For me it was Kyle Cooper’s “The Island of Dr Moreau”. One of the reasons I started #mochat9:04 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I also really dig the main-on-end titles for Captain America. Great way to bring 2D poster art into 3D. #mochat9:04 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

As a youth: obsessed w/the titles for Richard Donner’s SUPERMAN (1978). Music & type captured the euphoria of adventure. #mochat9:04 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Also, if you didn’t already know, has a fantastic site devoted to title design. #mochat9:04 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Seven was a breakthrough for film as well. Brilliant. Love organic elements in it. I try to use those as well when I can. #MoChat9:05 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Fincher films always stick out for title sequences. “Fight Club” sticks out as something that got me into mograph. #mochat9:05 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

RT : Also, if you didn’t already know, has a fantastic site devoted to title design. #mochat9:06 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

While I didn’t see the movie, I have seen and fallen in love with the end titles from “Yogi Bear” #mochat9:06 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Thanks for the mention. We’re having a great deal of fun with it: http://t.co/M8CgidWx #mochat9:06 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Yes!! The combination of the John Williams score with the space and titles sequence is amazing #mochat9:06 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

for me ,the open tittles from ” Irréversible” de gaspar noe( french movie)…#mochat9:07 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

We’ll be touching on “Superman” for a Richard Greenberg feature in early January. #mochat9:07 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Really love the main-on-ends from Pixar, esp The Incredibles and Ratatouille. Scott Pilgrim & Kung Fu Panda as well #moChat9:07 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I would literally come home from school, watch those titles, then do my homework. #mochat9:08 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Superman and The Shining. Movies watched in the weekends as a kid with timeless titles. #MoChat9:08 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Main-on-ends are frequently awesome. When did main-on-ends start becoming a thing? #mochat9:08 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

maybe its the kid in me.. but I always look forward to any bond sequence, guns and ahem.. guns.. #mochat9:08 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

My eyes just welled-up! #mochat9:09 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Mine was the Six Feet Under title sequence. Talk about storytelling. #mochat9:10 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I’m running a little behind. I’ll join in shortly #mochat9:10 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

the whole opening sequence from the shining is incredible, all those aerial shots and the yellow titles #mochat9:10 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

RT : Title design. Share favorite sequences, experiences creating them, and tips for others. Tonight 9PM ET (GMT-5) #MoChat http://t.co/dckDg6qq9:10 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I think did a great job on the Quantum of Solace titles. #mochat9:10 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

RT : Mine was the Six Feet Under title sequence. Talk about storytelling. #MoChat9:10 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

The 2D narrative recap concluding THE INCREDIBLES sure is a lot of fun. #mochat9:11 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

The score was brilliant. #MoChat9:11 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

When I was little my fav title sequence was the pop-up book at the beginning of Murder by Death. Later, Seven got my attention again #mochat9:12 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Nothing will beat these titles, ever. http://t.co/rMKZwCff #mochat9:12 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

yes, also the score! #mochat9:12 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Just got here, hi guys! I think the opening of True Blood is incredible. #mochat9:12 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Oh, man. I forgot about Murder by Death. Great film, too! #mochat9:12 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Currently both editions of The Walking Dead are quite solid as well. Both technically and visually. I think they’re quite slick. #MoChat9:12 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Yeah, “Murder by Death” is definitely on my list. #mochat9:13 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Seven. Yes! I feel like there hasn’t been a comparably groundbreaking horror title since. #MoChat9:13 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

And the opening of Game of Thrones is like a brilliant short. Likewise Watchmen. #mochat9:13 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Do any of you have favorite title designers? #MoChat9:14 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

For me it’s the use of the organic elements again with TB. The red mylar and bits to make the typography #MoChat9:14 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

great one GoT is a lesson in titles. #mochat9:14 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

They fit the series so well. #mochat9:14 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I really loved the titles from Watchmen, captured the mood straight away #mochat9:14 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

The Lemony Snicket’s End Titles are pretty fantastic. https://t.co/osVA40L4 #MoChat9:15 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

you must also like the Dexter ones? #mochat9:15 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I also like those opening titles, the music and shots really sucks you into the whole mood of the series #mochat9:15 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I agree! And the editing and the footage they got, too. #mochat9:15 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I really like the movie ones done my Saul Bass. An innovator. #mochat9:15 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

We’re a fan of Jay Bond’s work. 😉 #mochat9:15 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Watchmen!! I love that opening sequence with the “slow motion photographs” #mochat9:16 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

That’s pretty much a given, isn’t it? #mochat9:16 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Yes, very solid. So saturated now in the media but when it came out it was stunning. #MoChat9:16 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

My favorite title designer is #mochat9:17 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Sorry,. I never assume anything 😀 RT : Thats pretty much a given, isnt it? #mochat9:17 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Dylan gave them the original stems from “The Times They Are A-Changin’,” since the seq is longer than the song. So cool. #mochat9:17 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Baha! Thx for shout out . Right back at you. RT : Were a fan of Jay Bonds work. 😉 #MoChat9:18 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Love when a TV show gets time & budget to launch with a great title. You knew what you were getting from GoT by the end of the title #moChat9:18 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

simple but fun is the The Incredibles Titles. http://t.co/GTHPOz61 #MoChat9:18 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Not sure if it’s the lens of nostalgia, but I feel there aren’t very many authoritative title designers in the past couple decades. #mochat9:18 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Kyle Cooper. Danny Yount. Karin Fong. #moChat9:19 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Yes, nice combo of shot footage and stock stuff. #MoChat9:19 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

What were some title sequences that were well executed, but didn’t connect with the film? What was the disconnect? #mochat9:19 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

And Bass was truly an innovator, look how varied his title work was: http://t.co/m1cnMidP #mochat9:20 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I LOVVVVEEEEE THESE! http://t.co/Q75SISY5 You seriously cant do them this way any more. #mochat9:20 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

All top drawer designers. Brilliant bodies of work. RT : Kyle Cooper. Danny Yount. Karin Fong. #MoChat9:20 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Saul leaves me speechless. A visionary. #MoChat9:21 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Aaron Becker () http://t.co/3Ja7t454 is doing great tittle work. #MoChat9:21 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Well, if you were doing an 80s throw-back film, you could. #mochat9:21 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

We all stand on Saul’s shoulders #moChat9:21 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

we talking about french cooking tonight??? #mochat9:21 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

it gives me this message “You don’t have permission to access …. die-hard-2-movie-title.jpg on this server” #mochat9:21 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

That’s interesting about the music for “Watchmen”. We should talk about it in our article. #mochat9:21 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Yep. What’s your favorite Julia Child recipe? #mochat9:21 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

the one where she dies #mochat9:22 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

People may disagree with me on this.. but I thought Juno was a great example of this. Great intro but does it fit? #mochat9:22 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Gets the budget. You said it. #MoChat9:22 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Paul Matthaeus, Karin Fong, Kyle Cooper, MOMOCO, DVEIN RT : Do any of you have favorite title designers? #MoChat9:22 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I hate b/c I want that Twitter handle! ;P But seriously—> XO #mochat9:22 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

i agree with you #mochat9:22 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

What kind of timeframes are people working on for titles? We had 2.5 weeks for Person Of Interest https://t.co/kfZXCHch #moChat9:22 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

http://t.co/dcZWWUqq here is link #mochat Die Hard 2 titles.9:22 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I think the mood was right, but I know what you mean. #mochat9:23 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I second that. #MoChat9:23 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

The home alone titles as well, were amazing. http://t.co/C1nEIqpx #mochat9:24 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

New “Person Of Interest” sequence is great btw. #mochat9:24 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Are you drunk already? #mochat9:24 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

it needed to be more blue #mochat9:24 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

To be honest, I don’t know what type of film I think it would fit. Could have been done in a simple way & still worked #mochat9:24 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Ha didn’t Prologue do those way back when? #mochat9:24 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I believe it’s mentioned on the blu-ray, or in a book I have. Blew me away he’d be that generous. Very cool. #mochat9:25 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

thanks #mochat9:25 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

He’s just going old school. #mochat9:25 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

No! There is just a authenticity to them that you absolutely couldn’t pull off today. The work that went into them, man #mochat9:25 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Unlike Scott Pilgrim vs World. I thought titles were over the top, then the rest of the movie happened and I retracted. #mochat9:25 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

i mean, i think the overall feel was there, but it lacked emotion #mochat9:25 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Sounds right. When I add the days up. I’ve been kinda forced to get a few days here and there. Usually over a few weeks. #MoChat9:25 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I’ll get heat for this, but I think Fincher’s Girl with the Dragon Tattoo titles were too disconnected from the film. #mochat9:25 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

The thematic elements were there, but it overreached the film at hand & felt more like they just wanted to make a NIN video. #mochat9:26 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

did they? #mochat9:26 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

The ELEMENTARY titles were popular when they came out recently. Love seeing more photographic work alongside mograph/editorial #moChat9:26 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

It was R/Greenberg Associates, and I think Cooper. #mochat9:26 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I was just about to say the same thing. LOVED the sequence, but didn’t fit the movie. #mochat9:26 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I didn’t know you worked on those titles! great job! #mochat9:26 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Also, yeah I am drunk. #mochat9:26 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

oh oh oh im almost there! #mochat9:26 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

What about them feels off to you? I feel JUNO’s titles are just as jaunty as the film itself. #mochat9:27 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

no, I agree, they seemed forcedly “awesome” #MoChat9:27 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Do I need to be drinking something stronger than chai? #mochat9:28 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

RT : Ill get heat for this, but I think Finchers Girl with the Dragon Tattoo titles were too disconnected from the film. #MoChat9:28 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I agree, TGWTDT titles are pretty different to the film that follows. #mochat9:28 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

IMO in hindsight they feel forced. They fit its quirky nature & Juno’s character but not the weight of subject matter #mochat9:28 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

you’re not alone in the assessment of the Dragon Tattoo titles – I was surprised by how restrained Fincher was in the movie #moChat9:28 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

They ended and it just felt like the trailers were over & now the film’s starting. #mochat9:28 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I have the same feelings with that one. They work great on it’s own, not so much as the opening of that film #mochat9:29 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

just because you posted those Die Hard titles thrice. That’s all 🙂 YES #mochat9:29 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

yes i think so #mochat9:29 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I think they nail the internal psyche of Rooney Mara’s portrayal of Salander, esp when compared to Noomi… #mochat9:29 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

two times! One because someone said the link didnt work. And the other was Die Hard 1 & the other was 2. #mochat9:30 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Well it was Die Hard, and then Die Hard 2. 😛 #mochat9:30 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

…but nothing else in the film is as frantic, editorial or visual. It’s anachronistic to rest of direction #moChat9:31 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

see now what I want to know is how long they got for the Die Hard titles compared to yours. #mochat9:31 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

So who here has worked on title sequences? What was the project & how was the process? #mochat9:31 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Hmmm. Well, I think they work. #mochat9:31 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Lemony Snicket had some of the most memorable end titles I’ve seen http://t.co/6LAfiO2J #mochat9:31 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

i thought the titles for Kiss Kiss Bang Bang were done well, but im a retard #mochat9:31 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Yes! Exactly. Stand-alone, though, fantastic work. #mochat9:32 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

That’s the beauty of it all 🙂 I think they’re fantastic.. just for another flick. #mochat9:32 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Our process on POI was interesting. Editor strung together selects for 2 days while we tested treatment & transitions #moChat9:33 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Please fight with a different hashtag. #mochat9:33 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I’ve done three, each for broadcast drama. Working on fourth now. Process has been fantastic. Love doing them. #MoChat9:33 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I’ve done a couple features and a slew of shorts, generally working directly with the director or a producer. #mochat9:34 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Always lots of testing and stringing stuff together here too. That parts pretty great though I find. #MoChat9:34 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

‘s was a SXSW winner this year. http://t.co/Jk6Sq6aZ #mochat9:35 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

What have you been shooting / posting on? #MoChat9:35 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Were you working from the original show sequence? Or entirely new? #mochat9:35 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Never worked on any and never realised it was as quick a turnaround as these guys are saying! Astonishing! #mochat9:35 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I worked on mad men, boardwalk, rubicon, terminator salvation, human target, hell on wheels. Every process is different. #mochat9:35 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Thx guys. RT : was a SXSW winner this year. http://t.co/n2SeyF46 #MoChat9:36 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

We built out framework that could be used on any shot – tracking & constrained to a grid, held together by expressions #mochat9:36 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Rubicon had the best open title i’ve seen for a tv series recently. Great look at the process here: http://t.co/vugSuIyt #mochat9:36 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

really really loved Les Blues De Ramville. It’s been helping me get through the NHL lockout. #mochat9:36 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

no duct tape? #mochat9:36 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Could you mention some we’re heard of? 😉 #mochat9:37 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Drops mic. Walks away. #mochat ;P9:37 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

wow that’s a very cool group of work #mochat9:37 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Wow! What was the Mad Men process like? I love that one! #mochat9:37 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Rubicon was terrific. #MoChat9:37 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

This is off topic but Wall-E end credits are some that absolutely blew me away: http://t.co/LQ8kClCy #mochat9:37 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

they gave us original sequence w optional selects to start off with – we argued against doing any big camera moves #moChat9:38 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

deservedly so 😉 #MoChat9:38 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Ha. Thx. RT : really really loved Les Blues De Ramville. Its been helping me get through the NHL lockout. #MoChat9:38 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

ill concur with you. i loved them. im biased though, thats one of my all time favorite movies >_< #mochat9:38 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

…but with a few days left they requested the Trapcode Form transitions. I got pulled off to figure those out #moChat9:39 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

RT : deservedly so 😉 #MoChat9:39 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

niiiiice. The Mad Men titles fascinate me, as well. never grow old. #MoChat9:39 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

You expanded on the original really well I thought. Great ‘delicate’ graphic look. #mochat9:39 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

What you did with that plugin is amazing. #mochat9:40 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

never get to edit but the time that we sat in at the FCP suite stringing them out was the most fun, almost like magic! #moChat9:40 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I agree, Mad Men is one of those shows where I never fast forward through the credits, even after 5 seasons. #mochat9:41 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

thanks! We studied ‘s work on Terminator Salvation like crazy. he’s the real mad genius #moChat9:41 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Agreed. RT : wow thats a very cool group of work #MoChat9:41 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

The Rubicon titles are great. Nice work! How many people worked on them? #mochat9:42 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Since I’m actually a designer, I got to work on my first title sequence this year, though the process began last Oct. #mochat9:42 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

RT : Also, if you didn’t already know, has a fantastic site devoted to title design. #mochat9:42 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

The constant in nearly everything I have done is there is never as much time or money as you’d like. Forces creative solutions. #mochat9:42 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Is it done and out? #MoChat9:43 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

For those who’ve worked on indie/short titles, how did you get the job? Did you have an existing relationship with the director? #mochat9:43 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

What’s the topic? #mochat9:43 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

french dinning and fine wine #mochat9:44 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Q for – where would you like to explore more on title design if you had bigger budget/more time? #moChat9:44 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I knew the director and worked for free :p bad gig, won’t work with him again. #mochat9:44 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Hear hear. RT : The constant is there is never as much time or money as youd like. Forces creative solutions. #MoChat9:44 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

oh good about time #mochat9:44 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Good question! RT : For those who’ve worked on indie/short titles, how did you get the job?… #mochat9:45 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I think that’s every job I’ve ever worked on. #mochat9:45 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

No idea! I should probably find out if they released it. #mochat9:45 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Usually word-of-mouth, which then leads to a friendship and more work. #mochat9:46 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Our budgets wouldn’t cover craft for some of the bigger productions. It’s crazy what you have to come up with sometime. #MoChat9:46 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

True dat. #mochat9:46 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

rubicon had 2 of us designing, and 3 animating, editor, producer, and direcor, If I remember correctly. #mochat9:46 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Love to see it. #MoChat9:46 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

well we know how much of a lush you are so we are accommodating you tonight >_< #mochat9:47 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

you’re better than me… I skip the Mad Men titles sometimes! I guess that is allowed? #mochat9:47 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

for all of you who have worked on title sequences, what has been the range of the budget? #mochat9:47 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Here’s some of the lessons I learned while working on the Person Of Interest titles: http://t.co/3V8lSUpx #moChat9:48 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

RT : Here’s some of the lessons I learned while working on the Person Of Interest titles: http://t.co/3V8lSUpx #moChat9:49 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I wish we had time for more research and exploration of techniques early on. Definitely what I enjoy most. #mochat9:49 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Check your email! #mochat9:49 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Those are great. #mochat9:49 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

TBH I only rewatch the greatest ones, and usually only for a few seasons. Dexter titles better than show now #MoChat9:49 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

but to be honest, I think the best results sometimes come out of necessity from small budgets and tight schedules. #mochat9:50 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

01: There is a great camera animation plugin for After Effects, it’s called Cinema 4D. – oddernod here here!! #mochat9:50 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

ive only done little short things for local film competitions, usually with a 48hour turn around #mochat9:50 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Knowledge! RT : Heres some of the lessons I learned while working on the Person Of Interest titles: http://t.co/EU05zikr #mochat9:50 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

lol #mochat9:50 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Constraints are a good thing. It’s just that sometimes things are _too_ constrained. #mochat9:51 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Enough to pay 2 animators for two weeks, an editor for 3 days, and an awesome styleframe designer for a day? #moChat9:51 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Sweet deal! #MoChat9:51 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

congrats! I’d like to see it as well! #mochat9:52 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

RT : Heres some of the lessons I learned while working on the Person Of Interest titles: http://t.co/eLImMrpq #mochat9:52 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Those of you who’ve worked on titles, share links if you can! #mochat9:52 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Totally agree. We had Maya/Nuke job w 11 people & similar job w 3 C4D/AE people. Eye-opening to see C4D MacGuyver thru! #moChat9:52 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I shot and edited the opening credits for this. Three days nonstop on a LA roof: http://t.co/DrBlKuhN #mochat9:53 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

could you please explain this “If you’re working on something for broadcast, plan for a textless version from the start.” #mochat9:54 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

: lulz, just finished my first title seq and uploading it now as a preview leak per the director. stand by.” #mochat9:54 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

most titles I have worked on are on my vimeo – https://t.co/sAhVJgDL #mochat9:54 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

RT : Here’s some of the lessons I learned while working on the Person Of Interest titles: http://t.co/3V8lSUpx #moChat9:55 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Haha I was kidding around honestly…. but sure. #Mochat who has used TEfx in title sequences?9:55 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Most networks need international version w all the text removed. We didn’t know, and we had a LOT of text in that one 🙂 #moChat9:55 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I love working in small teams. I could never do feature film VFX or anything where I could only do one small part. #mochat9:57 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

We’re just about out of time for tonight’s #MoChat. Any last question or words of wisdom?9:57 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

One feature gig came from a UPM I worked w/prev who became a producer on Lauren Bacall’s last film: http://t.co/jAPvIEhF #mochat9:57 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

ohh, I see, so they can add the text on their language I suppose. Would be great if the same company did all languages #mochat9:58 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Same here. We fight tooth and nail to keep the big projects to a small team. Easy to track and trade assets back & forth #moChat9:58 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Any suggestions for for 2013? #mochat9:58 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

So after #mochat I’ll be hanging out on Google+ with a few cool guys from the C4D + AE world. Come on by if you want to see 2mill particles9:58 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

If you could redesign any movie/series title sequence, which one would you love to get your hands on? #mochat9:59 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

RT : Those of you who’ve worked on titles, share links if you can! #mochat9:59 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

whos hanging out? who is soooooo cool? #mochat9:59 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Thanks for doing this. Hope there’s more discussion on the topic. #MoChat9:59 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Loved this week’s #MoChat !!!9:59 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Bring Saul Bass back from the dead & interview him? #mochat9:59 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Hopefully I have one for you. 🙂 #MoChat10:00 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I think we’ll revisit title design again. #mochat10:00 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

nothing in the world sounds less interesting than having to do language versioning on a sequence. let them do it! #mochat10:00 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

RT : Thanks for doing this. Hope there’s more discussion on the topic. #MoChat10:00 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

And my fav so far, THE BALLAD OF DANKO JONES w/Elijah Wood, Ralph Macchio, et al http://t.co/KoORXBLF #mochat10:00 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Good chat, guys, thanks! #mochat10:00 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

RT : I think we’ll revisit title design again. #MoChat10:00 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Trying our best. #mochat10:00 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I don’t know how the heck they would rebuild some of the POI titles w/o the AE files. What a nightmare! #moChat10:01 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

I’d love to do a bond sequence some day. #mochat10:01 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Good! Keep me posted. #mochat10:01 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

thanks all very informative #mochat10:01 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Murder By Death 😛 #mochat10:01 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Well, that does it for tonight’s #mochat. Join us next week for a talk on motion tracking with some special guests. 😉10:01 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

Thanks for coming out everyone! Keep the conversation going. Look for the #MoChat transcript tomorrow. And as always #GoMakeSomething10:01 PM ET Dec 4th, 2012

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MoChat 21 Transcript & Summary

Last night on #MoChat we talked about the business side of freelance. Some good questions were raised, as well as good tips:

  • Be weary of clients asking for pitches. If it’s necessary, put in the minimal amount of time you’re comfortable losing.
  • If moonlighting, make sure clients are completely clear about your schedule ahead of time.
  • Save up cash, especially when starting out. Paychecks are sporadic.
  • Work out payment schedules with clients. If they’re late, find out why and react accordingly.
  • Set aside some percentage of your paychecks for quarterly estimated taxes.
  • Insurance is expensive, but there’s some major changes coming with the Affordable Care Act.
  • Check the Freelancers Union.
  • Accountants can be a huge help. As can lawyers, but maybe less frequently.
  • Prioritize. You don’t need to be working 24/7.

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Welcome to #mochat everyone! Tonight we’re talking the business end of freelance.8:59 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

To start things off, what are some of your concerns as a freelancer? #mochat9:00 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

competing on price against folks who live outside US. #mochat9:01 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

My concerns are on becoming a part-time freelancer but honestly is there such a thing? #mochat9:02 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

my concern with being a freelancer, if I did it exclusively, would be knowing when the next job is coming in. #mochat9:03 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

There is as long as clients are clear that you’ll be mostly unavailable 9-5. #mochat9:03 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

My biggest concern right now is how to stop thinking of income the same way as a fulltime gig. #mochat9:03 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

that sounds like moonlighting. One way to get your feet wet #mochat9:04 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

you can’t just do great work. You can’t win the race to the bottom #mochat9:04 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

If you can, live as frugally as possible and hoard cash until you have a decent buffer. Then pay yourself. #mochat9:04 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

true dat I need to get my feet wet… 8) #mochat9:05 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

You also have an advantage in that you live in the culture you’re helping to create. You can’t offshore that. #mochat9:05 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

the offshore thing is above our control, focus on being great here. #mochat9:06 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

Yeah, there comes a time when the buffer is big enough you just stop being worried. #mochat9:06 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

the cost of insurance was one of the big factors that deterred me and family from going full time freelance #mochat9:07 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

It can just take a while. #mochat9:07 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

I’d go as far to say, you don’t want to work for companies who send work offshore. They are hurting us all. #mochat9:07 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

Insurance is a big issue for a lot of freelancers. How many of you are doing without? Do you have a family? #mochat9:08 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

How much do people hate calling tech support? Language barriers aren’t always worth it #mochat9:08 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

I hear that. Would love to hear what freelancers with and without families do for healthcare. #mochat9:08 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

Also one thing to note, is does everyone understand how insurance is going to change after next year. #mochat9:09 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

I’m a staff animator but occasionally freelance by night. How to convince potential clients I have enough time for them? #mochat9:09 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

I’ll say no. please expand on that. #mochat9:09 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

http://t.co/ktUQ0Rmo read that over, its changing for everyone, but it means even more to freelancers. #mochat9:10 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

When I was fulltime freelance, I bought my own insurance for the family and paid through the nose… Even with an HSA plan. #mochat9:10 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

, which insurance liability, medical? #mochat9:11 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

Obama’s healthcare plan. http://t.co/ktUQ0Rmo #mochat9:11 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

I have an llc and through that have my healthcare setup for my family but it is still $$$ #mochat9:11 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

, yes required health care, also any luxury plans (what used to be good ones) will now be taxed as ordinary income. #mochat9:13 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

what kind of plan? Who’s the provider? #mochat9:13 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

As a small business and single freelancer it will benefit us, I cant speak to familys as I havent read into it. #mochat9:13 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

By delivering on time, and for new clientes telling them that you did deliver on time every previous work #mochat9:13 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

also for those who have day jobs to support their bills, you can expect the folks who are older to be tracked out. #mochat9:14 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

There is also The Freelancers Union offering help and plans https://t.co/qR32I0lL #mochat9:15 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

the biggest single reason that has always kept me away from full-time freelance is insurance #mochat9:15 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

in your case, not paying, yes you will lose out…but for my plans its actually beneficial. #mochat9:16 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

I think were talking american companies asking for lower pay by outsourcing motion. #mochat9:16 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

there’s lots of people that have issues with the new healthcare stuff. i say, go to cananda like you threatened. WAIT #mochat9:17 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

yes I am referring to american companies. #mochat9:18 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

Hey man, multiple translations are where the money is! #mochat9:20 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

Is anyone seeing any considerable amount of offshore farming? #mochat9:20 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

there is tons!!!! It just isnt something anyone cares to actually watch. Farmed motion graphics sucks. #mochat9:21 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

i always like the ‘wow you are english’ comments when i worked tech spt #mochat9:21 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

On the issue of money, how do you handle taxes? Quarterly estimated taxes seem to surprise everyone. #mochat9:21 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

Hahaha, gotcha. I’d been hearing the same in programming actually. #mochat9:22 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

around where I live (washington state) there has been more work going to our neighbors (Canada) to the north because of price. #mochat9:22 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

Going to do quarterly next year, but this year I have set aside almost double what I need so I will be ready for the hit #mochat9:22 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

I recommend that everyone use an accountant for taxes when making quarterly payments. Worth it. #mochat9:23 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

if there was a physical representation of ‘taxes’ it would look like a giant spider eating a fetus #mochat9:23 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

I would take 30% of each paycheck and set it aside, pretended I didn’t even have it until tax time. #mochat9:23 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

what do you usally end up paying? #mochat9:23 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

RT : I would take 30% of each paycheck and set it aside, pretended I didn’t even have it until tax time. #mochat9:23 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

how much cheaper is Canadian mograph work? #mochat9:23 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

do even more, and you get to surprise yourself at the end of the year. #mochat9:24 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

i say take out 1.5 to 2x what you need quarterly to be safe #mochat9:24 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

~15% #mochat9:24 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

I usually would anyway. We owned a house & had kids so had lots of deductions. #mochat9:24 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

, re tax: B&O tax, state income tax (if applicable), federal income tax, social security & fica. #mochat9:27 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

Taxes suck, but they pay for all of the things we need to freelance. #takingtheotherside #mochat9:29 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

What do you do if clients are “untimely” with payments? #mochat9:29 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

I do taxes on a monthly basis #mochat9:29 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

Find out why they are untimely, its a bad economy give them the benefit of the doubt. #mochat9:30 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

ditto on the insurance fear. Having cancer makes it worse! #mochat9:31 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

the way I work with my clients is payment is due upon milestone completion. #mochat9:31 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

but making things clear up front, with contracts or legal protection can be preventative care. #mochat9:31 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

That’s a good point. How many of you have contracts or any agreements in writing when taking jobs? #mochat9:32 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

– late fees/penalties/late deliveries, etc are discussed in contract. #mochat9:32 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

best not to work with those who are “untimely” with payments more than once. #mochat9:33 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

do you charge fees for rework or changes from original idea? #mochat9:33 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

depending in the project, I require half up front based on an estimate. Then provide followup emails every two weeks #mochat9:34 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

Off topic, but how many regular clients do you freelancers tend to have at once? #mochat9:34 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

RT : if there was a physical representation of ‘taxes’ it would look like a giant spider eating a fetus #mochat9:34 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

, depends if we agreed on work, then customer changes their mind I will charge them for the work. #mochat9:35 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

A million possibilities and 1-2 current clients. #mochat9:35 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

As in working on concurrent projects, or just in contact with? #mochat9:35 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

treat it like a business. I can’t say it any other way. #mochat9:35 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

good point, there are times if it is a good repeat customer you will give them a pass on some rework. #mochat9:36 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

At a time. And also, how often do you have to call around asking for work? #mochat9:37 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

I always feel like people do that when they know it will ultimately get them more work. If it makes sense do it. #mochat9:38 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

curious how do you deal with customer untimely payments? #mochat9:39 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

: I try to every time. 50% up front. (Not freelancing in traditional sense)” #mochat9:43 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

We’re approaching the final minutes of #mochat. What about lawyers & accountants. Who has them? Worth it?9:45 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

I never had either. But there were times I wish I did. #mochat9:47 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

no? I guess its good that none of us have needed one. #mochat9:47 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

I will admit to asking legal advice of a law friend when a client asked me to do some questionable work (copyright). #mochat9:48 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

yes to both. Accountant worth it, Lawyer not so much, I use them for non-standard contracts. #mochat9:48 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

Just getting in. Hoth battle and popcorn with kids = Priorities 🙂 #mochat9:49 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

work-life balance. Definitely worth it. #mochat9:49 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

Percentage-wise, how much of you income does having both cost? Is the lawyer on retainer? #mochat9:50 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

I had a client like my work, but still asked for a sample motion to their project up front before discussing money. What to do? #mochat9:51 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

Always 🙂 #mochat9:52 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

A proposal is one thing, that’s a little questionable. #mochat9:52 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

for accountant it < 1%, lawyer ~3-4%. #mochat9:53 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

make a sample and watermark the hell out of it with travitacus all over it.. just kidding. #mochat9:53 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

I wouldn’t unless you are ok with probably losing a bunch of time. #mochat9:53 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

Yeah, just sayin’ that they trust my skills to their task already, why need an unpaid sample instead of doing business? #mochat9:54 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

Right 🙂 I was planning on making it a smaller render and lowering the rez if I did it at all. #mochat9:56 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

Actually, if you think getting the job is a non-issue, has a point about watermarking. #mochat9:56 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

if client reside outside US then I’ll need to deal with lawyers to make sure contract is binding in their country. #mochat9:56 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

Yeah, feels like I would waste time and effort. So I am probably going to decline the work. #mochat9:56 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

Good advice. #mochat9:57 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

I’ve done proposals and worked on style-frames for a bid, but only two hours on something like that. #mochat9:58 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

How many use any of the programs out there for insurance and such as a freelancer, or are you covering yourself as part of the bid? #mochat9:59 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

They sound like the sort who will go “This is so great! We can pay you $25 to finish it.” #mochat10:00 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

We’re just about out of time. What’s one thing you wold tell others about the business of freelancing? #mochat10:00 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

Good point, I don’t think I would loose a whole lot that way. Thanks 🙂 #mochat10:00 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

🙂 It is starting to smell that way to me too. #mochat10:01 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

, that is good advice. #mochat10:02 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

Setting up a hangout here at the end of #mochat has some fun tips for us today. Come hangout out and tweet me for an invite10:04 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

Thanks to everyone for their advice and time tonight. #mochat10:06 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

That’s it for tonight everyone. Look for the transcript tomorrow. #mochat10:07 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

I do, and make them sign it, but to some clients that doesn’t mean Shit #mochat10:07 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

Join us next week for a #mochat on title design. Thanks for coming out everyone. And as always, #GoMakeSomething10:07 PM ET Nov 27th, 2012

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MoChat 20 Transcript & Summary

Last night on MoChat, everyone brought out their links. Unfortunately I was traveling and unable to participate, but Justin Younger stepped up to lead the chat. A lot of great links were passed around. I tried to compile & organize them in these lists, but one or two might have slipped through. If I missed something (or if you have more to add), let us know in the comments!

Inspiration

Learning

Plugins/Scripts/Stock

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Welcome to #MoChat! ‘s taking the reins from here. Rough schedule 9-Inspiration 9:15-Learning 9:30-Plugins/Scripts 9:45-Forums8:59 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

If anyone has any questions for us, let us know. #mochat9:01 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

RT : If anyone has any questions for us, let us know. #mochat9:01 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Alright fellas! Lets get some links for some awesome inspirational resources related to motion graphics! #mochat9:01 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Motionographer is my favorite inspiration site: http://t.co/NLEYy26n #mochat9:02 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

I gots one.. link to show me the “defining” effects. So I saw someone using set matte, can I get a description of that? #mochat9:03 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

I just go to Vimeo and look at the staff picks. Or what other peeps on Twitter are posting. #mochat9:04 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Dribble’s good too for design stuff. #mochat9:05 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

The best place to start for something like that is a search of the After Effects Help document: http://t.co/kVjidcRv #mochat9:05 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

RT : Motionographer is my favorite inspiration site: http://t.co/fiLSHT62 #mochat9:05 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

RT : Motionographer is my favorite inspiration site: http://t.co/NLEYy26n #mochat9:05 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

For Set Matte specifically, start here: http://t.co/00aTg6RC #mochat9:06 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

can you clairfy, Ronn? #mochat9:06 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

RT : If anyone has any questions for us, let us know. #mochat9:06 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

RT : Motionographer is my favorite inspiration site: http://t.co/NLEYy26n #mochat9:06 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

http://t.co/liHWPAYg or http://t.co/zk0xhN4m both are great…but can be nsfw at times. #mochat9:08 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

RT : Motionographer is my favorite inspiration site: http://t.co/NLEYy26n #mochat9:09 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

I like this one too: http://t.co/KfWtwLF8 #mochat9:10 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

thank you #mochat9:11 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

We try to post a good mix of inspirational and instructive material on our Facebook and Twitter accounts: http://t.co/ZFWa4lz9 #mochat9:12 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

very similar to ffffound, thanks! #mochat9:12 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

came out a couple days ago on motionographer but if you havent seen it.. its great! http://t.co/WbQKyVE6 #inspiration #mochat9:12 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Any more inspirational websites? #mochat9:13 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Dont forget http://t.co/7mWpcadV! Fantastic artists on there. #mochat9:14 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Never used set matte but I like the possibility of eliminating tons of track mattes in my comps. #mochat9:14 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Inspirational sites: http://t.co/9JINUGxo http://t.co/Ed91A5zc http://t.co/ok3RtQBZ http://t.co/YrAYhS8A www.cghub.vom #mochat9:15 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Waiting for someone to link to their own site. That would be funny, tee hee hee. #mochat9:17 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Also dont forget to go on Tumblr and add some amazing artists to follow. #mochat9:18 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Weeeoooo. I made it. Where are we at #mochat ?9:19 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Inspirational sites: http://t.co/9JINUGxo http://t.co/Ed91A5zc http://t.co/ok3RtQBZ http://t.co/YrAYhS8A http://t.co/wh8Rncw4 #mochat9:19 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

RT : Motionographer is my favorite inspiration site: http://t.co/NLEYy26n #mochat9:19 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

inspirational sites.. Let it rip sir.. you have a ton 8) #mochat9:20 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

This one’s good for purdy lettering: http://t.co/6wiZFq9e #mochat9:20 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

learning sites, has a huge list of cool tuts, and #mochat9:20 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

The difficulty is finding time to peruse these on a daily basis. #mochat9:21 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Here’s a collection of resources that we pulled together for people just getting started with After Effects: http://t.co/sDVMgedr #mochat9:21 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

RT : Motionographer is my favorite inspiration site: http://t.co/NLEYy26n #mochat9:21 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Yea, what sort of sites do you guys learn new techniques or styles from? #mochat9:21 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Here’s a set of many, many websites in several languages, all about After Effects, mograph, post-production: http://t.co/xDdeYXA9 #mochat9:22 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

RT : Heres a collection of resources that we pulled together for people just getting started with AE: http://t.co/mPWgtqXt #mochat9:23 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Don’t have link , but “ProVideocoalition” has an “AEportal” with ‘this week in ae’ #mochat9:24 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

I likes http://t.co/5Vlo4uhL http://t.co/NQnQ8N72 http://t.co/nd4nFRVe http://t.co/hYqq3Oxi to name only a few 🙂 #mochat9:24 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

RT : If anyone has any questions for us, let us know. #mochat9:25 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

I like all the tutsplus sites: https://t.co/cWPSaqIU #mochat9:25 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

I like what Al Heck does. Good c4d tutorials I wish he had time to work on it some more. http://t.co/FtjZ6QlV #mochat9:25 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Or I just go to YouTube. #mochat9:25 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Here’s a link to Rich Young’s most excellent AE Portal blog on ProVideo Coalition: http://t.co/KYBxOlv8 #mochat9:25 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

For expressions: http://t.co/45AN1arQ #mochat9:26 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

it’s sometimes mograph related, but I’m always guaranteed to get lost here: http://t.co/0TNKLyQp #mochat9:26 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Will this be recapped? I’m currently in/out of service. #mochat9:26 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

I am inspired by Video Copilot both by creative tutorials and innovative software. #mochat9:27 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

thanks that’s the one I wanted to share:) #mochat9:27 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

i’ll bookmark tutorials and attempt to reverse engineer the look/anim before i watch. anyone else? #mochat9:28 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Yea we will put it up on the site soon, and maybe even give a nice list of resources. #mochat9:28 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

True. You can’t beat Dan’s site for expressions and scripting stuff. #mochat9:28 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Gotta go with https://t.co/DWXsZzKz http://t.co/bFWEBclc http://t.co/GlFVInL8 for the great tuts. #mochat9:28 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Alright fellas, lets get links to some awesome plugins/scripts! #mochat9:30 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Some great textures can be found here: http://t.co/7dcbWmIb #mochat9:30 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

I’m extremely(!) biased, but I like the After Effects material on video2brain quite a lot: http://t.co/NvX7QLBQ #mochat9:30 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

sometimes I like to browse around on pinterest and look for cool photos and then I think, “how can I turn this into a motion graphic”#mochat9:31 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

A fellow name Ayato did spectacular AE stuff that due to language issues you had to figure out for yourself. #mochat9:33 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

oldie but a goodie After Effects tute site: http://t.co/uoM4zU8h #mochat9:33 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

I used some of these expressions (which I categorize under “scripts”) the other day http://t.co/o00x5fHC #mochat9:33 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

no I usually just watch it first to get the gist. then try to creat without watching again. #mochat9:33 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

wow. An Ayato mention mere seconds apart in tweets #mochat9:34 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

There are several great websites for scripts listed at the bottom of this page: http://t.co/cOARjQzM #mochat9:34 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Im sure its been mentioned, but lately I have gotten great scripts like Orient Horizon and Mocha Import Plus from AESCRIPTS. #mochat9:35 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

What are some awesome plugins/scripts you guys know of? #mochat9:35 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Knoll Unmult! Free and stuff! http://t.co/pM6zIC8n #mochat9:36 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

you know what they say about great minds.. I guess it works for you guys too. 8) #mochat9:36 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

anyone using DuIK tools? http://t.co/YZ00XEoe I had it installed a while ago and found it great! #mochat9:36 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

You could always go for some of these free plugins from AE TUT+ http://t.co/xbmmmc1b #mochat9:36 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

i had a long day at work and forgot its Tuesday night #mochat #fail9:36 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

what about presets as well? #mochat9:37 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

I am very partial to VC Element3D plugin. Been loving the work I have done with it. #mochat9:37 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

yeah Unmult by is a great free plugin #mochat9:37 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Yes! Mostly the fun animation helpers. #mochat9:38 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

definitely! #mochat9:38 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Gran Machine also has some very handy free scripts out there. #mochat9:39 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

DuIK is amazing! Everyone who rigs needs that. #mochat9:39 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Love me some VC SureTarget as well. Great for some quick camera setups. #mochat9:39 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Love E3D as well. Opens up new possibilities. #mochat9:39 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

has mentioned them before … he uses them #mochat9:39 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Gray Machine #mochat9:40 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

I need to check into that one actually #mochat9:40 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

We’ve got batches of free animation presets and scripts here http://t.co/EuGIT9kk and here http://t.co/e5CPf005 #mochat9:40 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Back in the day, the one to have was ICE. hardware accelerated AE plugins! #mochat9:40 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Now the one to have is GPU accelerated plugins 😀 #mochat9:41 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

DuIK is also great for natural movements on any layer, even if not rigged. It has a “wiggle” feature thats great #mochat9:41 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

SureTarget is free and very useful.. FYI #mochat9:42 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Whenever we encounter a useful script, plug-in, or other extension, we post about it on Facebook and Twitter: http://t.co/ZFWa4lz9 #mochat9:42 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Definitely allows for quick edits and lots of versions/variations without importing lots of 3D renders which save time #mochat9:43 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

I wish I could write scripts, I’ve got some ideas that I cant do with presets, but I don’t know how 🙁 #mochat9:44 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Gotta run, thanks for the tips guys! #mochat9:44 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

#FXPHD has a class on script writing by the “man” himself Lloyd Alverez FYI #mochat9:45 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

I put could you in contact with my friend. He writes some personal ones we have used at work. Very handy 🙂 #mochat9:45 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Hasta Pasta #mochat9:45 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

I even learned basic modelling in Blender to help prepare 3rd party models for use in E3D. More great software. #mochat9:45 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

I know forums have fallen to the wayside since social media blew up, but does anyone have forums to recommend? #mochat9:45 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

We can help you on the scripting forum: http://t.co/hiKYsgEz or on AE Enhancers: http://t.co/8jyph9kc #mochat9:46 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Great forums. Product specific for Adobe, Creative Cow… #mochat9:46 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Still check Creative Cow every now and then #mochat9:47 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

The After Effects user-to-user forum is a great place to get help: http://t.co/nNN321dz #mochat9:47 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

throwing my link in before the chat ends. Love what Stu Maschwitz has to say on his site: http://t.co/hOrZ4R16 #mochat9:48 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Sketchup 3D warehouse -> http://t.co/ns3f3U5P (obj export) -> Element 3D TONS of models now available! #mochat9:48 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

scripts for ae or c4d or something else? #mochat9:48 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

RT : We’ve got batches of free animation presets and scripts here http://t.co/EuGIT9kk and here http://t.co/e5CPf005 #mochat9:49 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

http://t.co/3LNlrbtx http://t.co/twWRpeli http://t.co/VGjMqvIg http://t.co/YOxxwQdm are a few i visit on the regular #mochat9:49 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

wish I had the money to get me som fxphd training. They just did a python c4d course #mochat9:50 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

RT : Still check Creative Cow every now and then #mochat9:51 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Not FXPHD, but I just finished a Lynda course on Blender that was extremely well done. #mochat9:51 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

RT : There are several great websites for scripts listed at the bottom of this page: http://t.co/cOARjQzM #mochat9:51 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Getting tons of awesome resources here guys, we can spend the last 10 mins of mochat on open discussion of resources you guys use! #mochat9:52 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

I have a question for everyone: I notice that noone recommended the official documentation as a resource. Why not? Serious question. #mochat9:52 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

before digital tutors, fxphd and gnomon blew up, http://t.co/lCOrunN8 was a great training site. #mochat9:52 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

here’s a hint: take a look at c4d’s in app context sensitive help structure. #mochat9:53 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

When printed manuals came with software I religiously went thru them. Now that they dont, not so much. #mochat9:54 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Offical documentation is awesome but its non-specific so its hard to search and apply. Tutorials are specific ppl want that #mochat9:54 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Google is a solid resource too lol #mochat9:54 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

but more often than not, the answer to very technical problem is answered in the official documentation. #mochat9:55 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Aye #mochat9:55 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

RT : There are several great websites for scripts listed at the bottom of this page: http://t.co/cOARjQzM #mochat9:55 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

re: Google… I was just thinking that. I learn as I need to know (mostly). #mochat9:56 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Twitter is on my list of cant live without resources #mochat9:56 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

How to use is addressed. Technical problems or bugs, not always in the manual. #mochat9:56 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

RT : We’ve got batches of free animation presets and scripts here http://t.co/EuGIT9kk and here http://t.co/e5CPf005 #mochat9:56 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

also because when i open up help, i have to deal with this and i don’t wanna http://t.co/zKY3k4cR #mochat9:57 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Twitter is good for finding those things you didn’t even know you need to know. #mochat9:57 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

true, not always, but I would argue that its more often than not a user problem the documentation could answer. #mochat9:57 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Ugh. I feel your pain. Use the online HTML version or PDF: http://t.co/0ndQAEar #mochat9:58 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

That has not been my experience. This is why I frequent the forums in hopes of informed and or Adobe feedback. #mochat9:58 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Alright guys, we are going to be wrapping up here! Thanks for logging in to talk! #mochat9:59 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Yes, why does Air love to be updated so much? #mochat9:59 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

how to efficiently search for information about After Effects: http://t.co/MB88Vy02 #mochat10:00 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

I wish I knew. Different part of the company. #mochat10:00 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Thanks for coming out guys! #mochat10:01 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Thanks for hosting, Justin. #mochat10:02 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Thanks for coming out. We will get the script up as soon as possible. #mochat10:03 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

Thank you . Got 7 or 8 new bookmarks. Now I just need the time to view them. #mochat10:03 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

RT : We’ve got batches of free animation presets and scripts here http://t.co/EuGIT9kk and here http://t.co/e5CPf005 #mochat10:04 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

RT : There are several great websites for scripts listed at the bottom of this page: http://t.co/cOARjQzM #mochat10:05 PM EST Nov 20th, 2012

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MoChat 19 Transcript & Summary

Last night on MoChat we talked about working solo or on a team. It seems most people chatting last night fly solo, while a few work on teams. The teams tended to be pretty small with only a handful of designers on average. A lot of what people said they like about teams is the social aspect (being able to trouble-shoot & bounce ideas around), being able to compensate for one persons weaknesses with another’s strengths, and being able to produce stronger work overall. Some of the troubles teams are said to run into are scaling (1+1 doesn’t always equal 2), conflicting personalities & egos, and sometimes getting type-cast on abilities.

For soloists, people tended to enjoy freedom both creatively and with schedule and getting to work on many different aspects of a project. The downsides, though, included missing having people around to trouble-shoot/bounce ideas off of, competing with teams/not getting to skill level desired, and having to deal with business duties.

There’s some great discussion in this chat, so be sure to read the entire transcript of nearly 300 posts.

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Welcome to #mochat everyone! Tonight we’re talking solo vs team/studio work & environments.9:00 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

First a quick tally. Who works solo & who works on a team? (Or if you work for a company, are you part of a team or is it just you?) #mochat9:00 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

#mochat I even like showing stuff to non-creatives just to hear what they see. At times they see goofy things we miss!9:01 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

#mochat, currently solo but it’s possible I’ll be on a team early next year9:01 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I work solo #mochat9:01 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Solo freelance. #mochat9:01 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

#mochat I work daily with a team and freelance periodically by myself.9:01 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Freelance is completely solo. Work is at a company, mostly solo, but with a creative director and other still-designers. #mochat9:02 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Work as part of a team at company #mochat9:02 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Work at a company solo as of right now. but also freelance solo. #mochat9:02 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

team effort during the day and solo at night. also, han shot first. #mochat9:03 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Solo as a freelancer and solo when I was part of a company. Had few opportunities to be a member of team/studio #mochat9:03 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

So all the motion is on your shoulders? #mochat9:03 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

i dont count that as a company. sorry dude #mochat9:04 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Yep. I might get assets from other designers or work with CD on direction, but it’s mostly up to me. #mochat9:04 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Had been part of a team, now flying solo on 2 different spots. Both setups at Imaginary Forces #mochat9:05 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

stay on target! I worked other places too :p #mochat9:05 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

shut up. ill tell you where you worked if i want to. #mochat9:05 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

For those at a studio/team, what is the personnel makeup? How many designers, CDs, producers, etc on a given project? #mochat9:06 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

: just started working with a team.” #mochat9:06 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Definitely prefer working on a team, esp a team w the same set of people. Building a shorthand & momentum is underrated by producers #mochat9:06 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I’m staff at a company where I’m a department of one with occasional help from a freelancer. #mochat9:06 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

That’s the way I worked at two different places in Madison. Visuality and MPI. Would like to be on a team out here. #mochat9:06 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

When I was at a studio on my old job, it was client-driven with usually one designer, so almost solo. #mochat9:07 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I like it solo #mochat9:07 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Very small team. Two or three producers per project. One or two editors/mographer #mochat9:07 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

There’s a joke there. #mochat9:07 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Awesome. #mochat9:07 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

: mainly I work on a team. Small team but a great team.” #mochat9:08 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Per project but usually a designer, me for motion, 1 or two others for feedback or help. #mochat9:08 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

On Person Of Interest: 2 artists, 1 Art Director, 1 freelance styleframe artist, 1 Producer, & an editor for 3 days #mochat9:08 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

you need to get your mind out of the gutter! #mochat9:08 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

For the people in the Studio/Team, do you ever run into the “too many cooks in the kitchen” ? #mochat9:09 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

the designers are limited to 5. The rest can help with other bits in the pipeline that might need work once in a while. #mochat9:09 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

several teams, handling various projects, one AD per team, one CD, many producers #mochat9:09 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

On short films, usually a writer, a director/shooter, me as VFX with maybe another, and a designer. #mochat9:09 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

For me that mostly comes from client/agencies rather than the studio/designers. #mochat9:10 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

michael bay uses a team of 1…. its name is TNT #mochat9:10 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

It’s a tough, tough situation for certain. Usually it’s the team rallying against the agency or client #moChat9:11 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

always… #mochat9:11 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

agree with that about client: We liked it, but we’re going to pass it around the office and see what others say. #mochat9:11 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

One thing I miss about having other motion designers around me is getting specific feedback. #mochat9:12 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I like smaller teams it keeps things tight and you can be in a couple peoples heads to work together. #mochat9:12 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Toughest job is Art Director’s. Managing team’s creative input while maintaining his vision & satisfying client’s needs #moChat9:12 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

yeah, story of my life. and it comes back with ‘its good but we hate it can you make it more blue?” #mochat9:12 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

the animation side of our team is 5 people and we are usually working on 4 different lessons. #mochat9:13 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Let’s start the list. First teams: what works, what doesn’t? #mochat9:13 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Me as VFX/compositor while others will range from modeller and rigger,animator ,lighting artist and texture,concept artist. #mochat9:13 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I think small teams, even internally, tend to be the better way. Instead of Group A works on it, Group B approves art direction. #mochat9:13 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Too many cooks sometimes, but mostly there is enough respect for opinions and final decisions. #mochat9:13 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

kind of a mix between solo and team #mochat9:13 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I miss that, too, as there is no one around me. Not even a cat. 🙁 #mochat9:14 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I do have other great designers and a great CD, but they don’t have the experience & vocabulary I’m used to. #mochat9:14 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

One difficulty with a team is convincing producers that 1+1 does not always equal 2. Scaling is tough #moChat #mochat9:15 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

should i come down to the cities and bring my copy of hoocked on fonixe for them? #mochat9:16 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I had to join twitter because my office is too small and no one wants to talk about/cares about motion graphics! #mochat9:16 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Managing growth of team members is tough too. Avoid pigeonholing artists into repetitive tasks but maintain efficiency #mochat9:16 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Hey, it worked for me. #mochat9:16 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

especially when a cd or project lead already said ‘yea of course we can do that in ten minutes” #moChat #mochat9:17 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Vocabulary is very important! I’ve found myself agreeing with someone without knowing it! #mochat9:17 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

maybe there should be a network for freelancers to get feedback from one another? #mochat9:18 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

whats work and doesn’t work depends on the kind of work. Sometimes a team works well especially if it short deadline. #mochat9:18 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Teams are great for bouncing ideas around or delegating tasks. But it’s also easy to get caught in minutia. #mochat9:18 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

What do you mean by that? #mochat9:18 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Was going to bring this up later, but biggest problem is not being able to share work until it’s done. #mochat9:19 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

And soloists… what do you like about it and what’s not so great? #mochat9:20 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

problem is some may rip your work off before it goes to the client. Unless it is a demoreel. #mochat9:20 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

you should ask about that…. #mochat9:20 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Best way seems to be finding people here, then getting opinions privately. #mochat #solo #feedback9:21 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

That’s why I started! #mochat9:21 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

knows all about work getting ripped off. #sad #mochat9:21 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Adding another animator doesn’t necessarily mean everything animation-related gets done 2X faster #mochat9:21 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I definitely long for constructive input and general creative conversations. Twitter has become that. #mochat9:21 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I know! totally stole my demo reel. #mochat9:21 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

mine too dude. freaking thief that one is #mochat9:21 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

you are right. The amount of 3d needed in a project determines if a team is necessary or not #mochat9:22 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

NO! Dividing up animation is damn near impossible. #mochat9:22 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Great to have the creative freedom, but hard to get past blocks without others to bounce ideas or trouble-shoot with. #mochat9:22 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Its more about planning. #mochat9:22 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

My take: teams are great for bouncing ideas back & forth. Also, much easier to laugh and therefore makes the days better. #mochat9:22 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

i love twitter for its ability to get honest fast feedback, and i can screw with people too #mochat9:23 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

It takes a great producer. Division of labor is key. And understanding artists’ strengths #moChat9:23 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Yeah, and sometimes not even then! #mochat9:23 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I was just about to say: add to team to fill in for weaknesses. #mochat9:23 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I don’t enjoy working solo sometimes because I often would love to improve the look of an animation but there is not enough time #mochat9:24 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

The best thing about a team used to be having someone who can help problem solve. W Dropbox, Skype & twitter we all have that now #mochat9:24 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

My take on working solo: you get to avoid gossip, days are more flexible, commute is better 🙂 #mochat9:24 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Getting back to teams, one thing that’s coming up is division of labor. How’s your team set up? Different duties (rigging,lighting)? #mochat9:25 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

oh man, no drama is awesome for quality of work. #mochat9:26 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

The number one positive: the ability to say “no, I will not sell your snake oil.” #mochat9:26 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Office gossip/politics is one thing I’m getting used to being on a staff position now. It’s weird. #mochat9:26 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I understand now, thank you. #mochat9:27 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Never been on a big team. Most division at the old studio was an editor, a designer, a sound mixer. #mochat9:27 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

ya. I need to find some more #mochat friends. I ride solo way too often.9:27 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I’ve never been able to get used to it. Reminds me of high school. #mochat9:27 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

This is a good place to find them. #mochat9:27 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

same here. i wear headphones even when im not using them so i can stay away from that crap #mochat9:28 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Truth. It has been spoken. #mochat9:28 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Highschool never ends. #mochat9:28 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Partially why I want the team exp. What’s the division of labor? My work -> improve, methinks. #mochat9:29 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

it’s an outstanding community here! #mochat9:30 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

get off my lawn Colton! #mochat9:30 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

♫Yes it goes on and on my friends. Some people started flinging shit to make them feel better… ♫ #mochat9:30 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

One thing of working in a team is if you have good simulators for particles in 3d package rather than #aeparticular. Pays dividens. #mochat9:31 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Yup!! #mochat9:31 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

It’s an outstanding community, except for that grumpy old man, Charles. Haha. #mochat9:31 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

OIY! #mochat9:32 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Many times I will help someone with there animation by using expressions or tricks/tips to solve their problems. #mochat9:32 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

went from staff @ small studio to freelancing at larger studio. Def more personalities, different perspectives, etc I’m enjoying it #mochat9:32 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Or anything, really. Being a one-man-show you have to be good in as many things as possible. Which rarely works out. #mochat9:32 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Was the only mogfx guy at one place & now work w/ a team of 4. Its great to have others feedback who speak the same language. #mochat9:33 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

usually boards are done by everyone. Then duties split. usually, a person handles severals aspects of the project #mochat9:33 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

For soloists looking for help w/trouble-shooting/feedback, how do you go about that if you can’t share works-in-progress publicly? #mochat9:33 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

The number one positive: the ability to say “no, I will not sell your snake oil.” #mochat9:33 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

You would think Cpt America would have a sunnier disposition. #mochat9:34 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

whats great us being able to make decisions fast. #mochat9:34 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Finding ways to separate the work intelligently w/ bruising egos or slowing down the process #mochat9:35 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

When I have trouble and can’t share publicly, I try to make it to my liking/research similar styles #mochat9:35 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

for help: google, twitter, gchat with fellow chicago mographers #mochat9:36 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

When I’m solo I find that I don’t run into that many problems. I stick to creating problems I know I can solve. #mochat9:36 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Especially since the outside world doesn’t immediately understand there are different disciplines. #mochat9:36 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Almost want to set up a site for private sharing with pop-up NDAs. Though it would still violate existing NDAs. #mochat9:37 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

it helps to have talented designer friends you can hit up on AIM 🙂 #mochat9:37 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

After we offer a critique we sing “I’m sorry that I kicked you in the faaaace!” #mochat9:37 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I keep reminding people about 3D and how it can be one person’s job to just place lights. #mochat9:37 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I’m wondering what downsides solo/freelancers find in working on your own… #mochat9:38 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

maybe this is why my designs have started to all look the same 🙁 #mochat9:38 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Sometimes I create a piece of work and can’t quite decide whether it’s really great or truly awful! #mochat9:38 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I would agree with all those. No more competition with co-workers is a blessing. #mochat9:38 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Asking friends who are artists in other fields to stop by. #mochat9:38 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

That would be great! And expiration dates for the posts maybe? #mochat9:38 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Not having people to bounce ideas off of or troubleshoot with. Also have to be jack-of-all-trades. #mochat9:39 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

If time allows, sleeping on it helps. #mochat9:39 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

fair enough – do you ever miss being in an office with other peeps? #mochat9:39 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

the downside is people are pushing alot of 3d into motion graphics,even had to create a plugin. #mochat9:40 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

My big downside as a solo artist is not having an advocate / producer to handle business side / negotiations. #mochat9:40 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Nice. #mochat9:40 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

being stuck in a creative rut and doing the same type of ‘style’ is a big downside for solo I have found #mochat9:41 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

hello peeps sorry for chiming in late.. #mochat9:41 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

makes for two of us #mochat9:42 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Love being able to say “whoah, how’d you do that?” Sharing is caring. #mochat9:42 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

welcome back! #mochat9:42 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

slackers #mochat9:42 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

for shame.. 8) #mochat9:42 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Yeah. Being solo, you still have to compete with full studios because the client wants to make Toy Story. #mochat9:42 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Yes. It’s a job in and of itself. #mochat9:43 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

and they want the toy story in short amount of time. #mochat.9:44 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

if I worked from home, I’d be home by now.. 8) #mochat9:44 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Working late? #mochat9:44 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

yeah right, i bet he is playing halo #mochat9:45 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

from the studio side, those clients who want Toy Story are sometimes flocking to freelancers because of budget concerns. #mochat9:45 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

So for those who have been on both sides of the solo/ team shop side: which grass is greener? #mochat9:45 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

The problem comes from people who don’t/won’t/can’t say no to that. #mochat9:45 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

that would be Capt. Asshole, not America… dumbass. >_< #mochat9:45 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

aye back from Travel. got slammed with a last min project due in 2 days. client seated right beside me the whole day. #yay #mochat9:46 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

To be honest? Finding a way to do both w/o getting overloaded or going broke #mochat9:46 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

the grass on the other side #mochat9:46 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Whoo! Finally made it for the last bit. Working late 🙁 What is the current question? #mochat9:46 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

when you are a solo designer it is easy to take shortcuts and not push yourself. #mochat Art Directors are good butt kickers9:46 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Grass is always greener on the other side isn’t it? #mochat9:46 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

they do flock freelancers. But they will push you to the limit of getting their idea across. #mochat9:47 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

see: http://t.co/xMxrd8mD its the other side #mochat9:47 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I’m expecting an img or a vid with that response 😉 #mochat9:47 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Working with and always pushed me to try new things and stretch my creativity. #mochat9:47 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

you got it buddy! #mochat9:47 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

dude! Lightining fast reflexes!! You are a bad ass! #mochat9:47 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Anyone talk about pros and cons of working solo versus under a creative director? #mochat9:48 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Being solo does require a lot of self-motivation to grow. #mochat9:48 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

yes, and if you had been here, part of this team, you would know that. o.O #mochat9:48 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

The grass is greener where you cultivate it! Snap! 😉 #mochat9:48 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I werks in a team environment yet everyone approaches projects as a soloist. we still bounce ideas off each other but ideas on #mochat9:48 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Not specifically, but it’s been covered a little bit. Do you have any wisdom on that front? #mochat9:49 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

establishing more collaboration or even sharing workflow or editing / AE stuffs? #mochat9:49 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Dick! 🙂 #mochat9:49 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

we work very much the same way we have all our own projects but every project is a team effort, no creative directors #mochat9:49 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I think its simple if you have access to a team just utilize it, if not you just got to do it Solo #mochat9:50 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

No… My Director is hell to work with. I wanted wisdom from my peers here. #mochat9:50 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Working in, and succeeding in, a team environment #mochat9:50 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

i wont be providing an img or video for that one.. sorry #mochat9:50 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

the best of both worlds and a hard one to balance i’d imagine #mochat9:50 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

it is always fun working with designers who have complementary strengths. #mochat9:50 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

personally I dont see how I could do it. I have my own work, organization, style, how do you share projects as such? just curious #mochat9:50 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

i struggle with it. some days im glad to be with a team and other days i just want to do it my way #mochat9:51 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

good point. #mochat9:51 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

it’s easy to burn out in a team if the studio is busy, sometimes tough to keep the freelance coming in when solo #mochat9:51 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

it’s easy to share projects when you start on them together. Not so much when they’re passed around like a hot potato. #mochat9:51 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

is he / she on twitter?! #mochat9:51 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Working in, and succeeding in, a team envirmnt requires trust and mutual respect. If that is not there, the ppl and the work suffer #mochat9:52 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Good point. How does someone work in a team when they don’t agree/get along? #mochat9:52 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I mean Im willing, want to share.. but If I have to then go back a rework someone elses AE work because they went “creative” #mochat9:52 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

At my current employment, I enjoy my team, but I like the control of handling a video on my own sometimes too. Need balance. #mochat9:52 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

i wear headphones, and my crazy A.D.D helps too #mochat9:52 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Those of you solo peeps: if you work from home, how do you handle the kids factor (if you have any)? #mochat9:52 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

yeah Ive done that with another editor and we discuss what part each of us will take on.. but I have this idea that ppl #mochat9:52 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

can just randomly pick up a work in progress and move it forward. am I just silly? #mochat9:53 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

and that sir, is why i dont to a lot of freelance #mochat9:53 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

The worst part of multiple people is the messy folder situation. Assets are all over the place… #mochat9:53 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

That’s rough. Most of my home work is after they’ve gone to bed. Helps if the wife is around to help wrangle. #mochat9:53 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Benadryl? #mochat9:53 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

if all fails then we have 50/50 rule. Ie we take 50 percent your idea and 50% the other persons. #mochat9:54 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

haha, I guess I have mustaches on the mind…and misinterpreted #mochat for a movember hash! (but you would look good in a stache)9:54 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I hope! And I hope they hear it too. Because they need to. #mochat9:54 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

your kids dont see you working. they see you at the desk on the computer ignoring them. thats not healthy. #mochat9:54 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Agreed. “: #mochat I am confident that constructive criticism in creative group environments greatly improves the final product.”9:54 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Posthaste is my friend #mochat9:54 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

shhhh! Don’t give away ALL the answers! #mochat #timedtestlater9:54 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

work as far away from the play area as possible, but my guy is only 11 months… so time will tell. #mochat9:55 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

are you kidding me.. I couldnt work from home if I tried. #distraction.. however on travel is a totally diff story #mochat9:55 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

: #mochat” Duct tape?9:55 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

not with Dropbox and ae folder organisation scripts. #mochat9:55 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

: #mochat I am confident that constructive criticism in creative group environments greatly improves the final product.” #mochat9:55 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

this x10000 #mochat9:56 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I am all for Posthaste! Haha. Some coworkers don’t admit to having an organizational problem though! #mochat9:56 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Oh, and there has to be organization in project files when in a team env. Too much time is spent figuring stuff out than working #mochat9:56 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Woo, ! #mochat9:56 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Best I can do in my situation, is often bite the bullet. Sometime they do go with my idea or experience, but not often. #mochat9:56 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Tru dat just getting another set of eyeballs on your stuff helps out. #mochat9:56 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

a serious statement like that from ME, you know its true. >< #mochat9:56 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Let us not discuss messy folders. <shudder> #mochat9:57 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

i like you even if your team doesnt dude #mochat9:57 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Don’t forget about using templates on a network share. Keeps everyone consistent. #mochat9:57 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

also purchasing chubaka poster might keep them away. You tell them it is a scary scary monster. #mochat9:57 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

or PS and AE files with 100’s of layers named Layer 43 or solid 95 #mochat9:57 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Mentioned before (and I’m biased), but is great for that kind of thing. #mochat9:57 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Ha, it’s a wonderful app! I have it and had coworkers install it. But, they STILL don’t use it O.o #mochat9:58 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I hear you I hate helping someone comp shots and can’t find the crap I need #mochat9:58 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

post haste – looks useful! What else are people using for organization in a studio? #mochat9:58 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

ahhh shucks 🙂 #mochat9:58 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Solid 95 so totally pissed me off today.. i might add #mochat9:58 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Thank god that I’m usually the only one messing with AE. #mochat9:59 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

All in all, its whatever it takes to get the work done. Just dream of a better situation where we share ideas, not force them. #mochat9:59 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

what about adjustment layer 108 #mochat9:59 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

We’re just about out of time. In the last few minutes, what’s one thing you love about your situation and one thing you’d change? #mochat9:59 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

There is an awesome AE script for hiding stuff I use, can’t remember the name of it though #mochat9:59 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Do you name solids when you make them, or just rename the layer in the timeline? #mochat9:59 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

A circle of Hell that Dante forgot to mention. #mochat9:59 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

i love being with creative like minds. id change that they all buy me buffalo wings everyday, cause they dont. #mochat10:00 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Isolate, you can get it at – it’s terrific! #mochat10:00 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Sadly thats not what happens at my work. Its my way, or the highway philosophy. And its garbage. #mochat10:00 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Ive downloaded posthaste twice already I just need to start using it. 8) also that editable pallets script as well.. ughh #mochat10:00 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Im a renamer.. #mochat10:00 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

True. Having project templates helps by having folders already set up in AE/FCP/Premiere, though. #mochat10:00 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Is that it? I was just trying to figure out what the sin it was #mochat10:01 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I love the process with others that makes the product great– better than I can do alone. #mochat10:01 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

also love that my company has various themed rooms/places where you can break away to for inspiration/de-blocking #mochat10:01 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Yeah. My project panel has Black Solid 1, but the timeline will have “Vignette”, “Horizon”, “Base Particles”, etc. #mochat10:01 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I think you CAN establish healthy boundaries. My kids are 6 & 8 and I’ve worked from home for almost 6 yrs. All good! #mochat10:01 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Love: people, laughing, feedback, helping coworkers. Change: gossip, clearer lines of communication #mochat10:01 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I am lead animator at my place. Love the leadership. But my director often strips that role completely. So there you have it. #mochat10:02 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

i think your kids are not as evil as mine hahaha #mochat10:02 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

im working with a 5 year old and a 1 year old #mochat10:02 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Love: Doing cool stuff. Not So Much: Not doing enough cool stuff. #mochat10:02 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I think Zorro is what I was thinking of http://t.co/eeXe0UDW #mochat10:03 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

yeah.. or the Questions “how’d you do that?” Um idont know.. means “I’d rather not say because I think its job security” #mochat10:03 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I think we are reminding each other of complimentary practices! 😉 #mochat10:03 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

once they’re of this age, and out of the house half the day, it eases up. it’s the lil ones that make it rough #mochat10:03 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

That sounds cool. #mochat10:04 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Love that everything seems new. Laid back environment. But, I wish we had more graphic heavy jobs #mochat10:04 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I can’t believe I was part of a whole #mochat! Usually a catch the tail end because I was doing something else.10:04 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

That would be tough, most everyone trusts my ability and only questions creative differences, usually I get my way #mochat10:05 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

little man pissed on the floor after his bath tonight and got excited about the distance lol #mochat10:05 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

I will be setting up a hangout via G+ here after #mochat. Tweet me if you want in on that jazz 🙂10:05 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

what did you guys do about day care in the early days of working with kids? #mochat10:05 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Well, that about does it for tonight everyone. Be sure to look for the transcript tomorrow. #mochat10:06 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Chip off the old block eh? #mochat10:06 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Next week’s chat will be headed by as I’ll be traveling for the holiday. Topic: collecting resources. #mochat10:06 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

my daughter was in daycare most of the day since my wife worked too #mochat10:06 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Thanks for coming out everyone. And as always, #GoMakeSomething! #mochat10:06 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Wooo! #mochat10:06 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Hahaha! Yup it’ll all change in a few yrs. definitely helps once they start school, etc. #mochat10:06 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

thanks again! #mochat10:06 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

now my daughter is in kindergarten so she is there most all day #mochat10:06 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Thanks and thanks ! Peace out, everyone. #mochat10:07 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Thanks a ton! Awesome hanging out with everyone tonight! Much better than TV. #mochat rules!10:07 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

My director thinks they are God’s gift to design. The ego thing is outrageous. #mochat10:07 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

= win #mochat10:07 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

the wife is home all day now, so ethan stays home #mochat10:07 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Love: Working fast, intuitively, making decisions, not having to check in with hierarchy of stakeholders, etc. #mochat10:08 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Rock it Justin. Good topic! #mochat10:08 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

Been a long time since I’ve made it to a #mochat nice chatting with you guys again even if it was just for 10 minutes #mochat10:09 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

in the hot seat!! 8) #mochat10:09 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

better you than me. RT : My director thinks they are Gods gift to design. The ego thing is outrageous. #mochat10:10 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

There’ll be a transcript up tomorrow. Join us next week! #mochat10:10 PM EST Nov 13th, 2012

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MoChat 18 Transcript & Summary

Last night on MoChat we discussed getting started with expressions in After Effects. Adobe posted links off the bat for examples and basics. As far as the go-to & first learned expressions, loopOut() and wiggle() seemed to be the most common. For learning more about expressions, there is Harry Frank’s After Effects Expressions series, an FXPHD course taught by Harry as well, AE Enhancers, or a bonus chapter in Creating Motion Graphics. Keeping track of all those expressions we learn & write becomes a task over time. Some people use text documents, the Expression Toolbox script, or other programs like Codebox & Evernote. Of course, Adobe seems to be aware of this, too.

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Welcome to tonight’s #MoChat everyone. Tonight we’re talking Expressions.8:59 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

wiggle me this, wiggle me that… #MoChat9:00 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Here are some expression examples & links to resources that we’ve pulled together: http://t.co/PZpIWwAy (incl links to MotionScript) #mochat9:00 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

If you haven’t already, you can help by donating to the American Red Cross. http://t.co/JbL92F2s #mochat9:00 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

But first, I’m pretty sure it goes without saying that we’re all thinking of everyone on the US East Coast who went through #Sandy. #Mochat9:00 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

And off the bat with the links! #mochat9:01 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

RT : If you haven’t already, you can help by donating to the American Red Cross. http://t.co/p09ibkby #mochat9:01 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

RT : RT : If you haven’t already, you can help by donating to the American Red Cross. http://t.co/p09ibkby #mochat9:02 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Let’s start off simple. What were some of the first expressions you learned? #mochat9:02 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

what expression do you use the most other than wiggle lol #mochat9:02 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

If you’re looking for basic definitions and such for expressions, start here: http://t.co/XCpiQWO5 #mochat9:02 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Pick-whipping, followed by wiggle(). #mochat9:03 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

loopOut(), and sometimes loopIn(). #mochat9:03 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

RT : If you’re looking for basic definitions and such for expressions, start here: http://t.co/XCpiQWO5 #mochat9:04 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

RT : Welcome to tonight’s #MoChat everyone. Tonight we’re talking Expressions.9:04 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

my first expression was probably loopOut(“cycle”), to make something loop #mochat9:05 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

hear hear! other than wiggle it was a lot of pick whipping and doing positions and stuff for me #mochat9:05 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

interesting, i didn’t think of pick whipping as expressions but that’s exactly what it is #mochat9:05 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

I use the loopOut expression method a lot. And the linear interpolation method. #mochat9:05 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

RT : If you’re looking for basic definitions and such for expressions, start here: http://t.co/XCpiQWO5 #mochat9:06 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

wiggle and pickwhipping for me #mochat9:06 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

RT : I use the loopOut expression method a lot. And the linear interpolation method. #mochat9:06 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

RT : If you’re looking for basic definitions and such for expressions, start here: http://t.co/XCpiQWO5 #mochat9:06 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

i dont use #ae on a regular enough basis to really ‘learn’ any usefull expressions i think. but that will change #mochat9:07 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

copied and pasted expressions a lot to #mochat9:07 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Yup, loopOut is amazing. RT : I use the loopOut expression method a lot. And the linear interpolation method. #mochat9:07 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

definitely wiggle() #mochat9:07 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

next short movie i gotta make a head explode and i think blood seep outta walls…. mwahahahaha #mochat9:07 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

I recently started using linear() to trigger a keyframed animation on a layer marker. #mochat9:08 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Does anyone have some questions on basic expressions? (Remember, you have 140 characters, so don’t get too complicated.) #mochat9:08 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Dude. It’s a derivative of JavaScript. Get on it! 😉 #mochat9:09 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

i know, and thats what makes me such a sad panda 🙁 #mochat9:09 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

No power. In the middle of a big project and as I tweet this my phone is at half full. Ah the life of a mograh artist #mochat9:11 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Say you have something which ranges from 3-8 and you want it to drive values between 0-100, linear(v,3,8,0,100) #mochat9:11 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

are there any training courses purely dedicated to expressions? i havent looked around yet. #mochat9:11 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

This is probably the expression I use the most: autofade http://t.co/IUQc2ab5 #mochat9:12 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

has some pretty good stuff… #mochat9:12 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

A good link was put up at the start by http://t.co/k5BLld2g #mochat9:12 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

harry frank has a series on expressions #mochat9:12 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

that would be great if i could afford DT lol #mochat9:12 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

The script I find most useful is distribute layer for quick tests of frames and graphics in x, y, z space – please recommend me more #MoChat9:12 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

yup, im looking at those right now #mochat9:13 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

http://t.co/kzkuYTRl #mochat9:13 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Stay safe. How are things out there? #mochat9:13 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

There are good examples and explanations for the linear interpolation method here: http://t.co/P7ud6ZxG #mochat9:13 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

I know had a question about how to stop an expression on a certain frame. Anyone have a good solution for that? #mochat9:14 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

here is an oldie but goodie on expressions http://t.co/cfARfYuu #mochat9:14 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

RT : There are good examples and explanations for the linear interpolation method here: http://t.co/P7ud6ZxG #mochat9:15 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Also, has the Expressions Bootcamp course again this term: https://t.co/hlS1NCeK #mochat9:16 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

ill see if i can borrow money from mitt romney lol #mochat9:17 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

You don’t “stop” an expression, per se. But you could use an if statement to use the keyframed value at certain times. #mochat9:18 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

People are safe and well I think. Now comes the reality. “Oh let go on my computer” crap I am having mograh withdrawals #mochat9:18 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

The expressions “bonus” chapter of “Creating Motion Graphics” is a pretty good exploration of the possibilities. #mochat9:19 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

RT : There are good examples and explanations for the linear interpolation method here: http://t.co/P7ud6ZxG #mochat9:19 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

And there’s no way to get the result of an expression at a certain frame, is there? valueAtTime only looks at keyframes? #mochat9:19 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

hello chatters.. #mochat9:19 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Look who showed up! #mochat9:20 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

That’s correct. Expressions are evaluated on the current frame and don’t know about expression values on other frames. #mochat9:20 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

whats the topic for tonight? #mochat9:20 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

can’t you just link to sliders for more in/out controls? #mochat9:20 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

One way that people “stop” an expression at a specific time is to keyframe a relevant parameter to 0 (like amt for wiggle). #mochat9:21 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Oh, absolutely. And my layers have an assortment of them. But would be cool to ignore expression results after a marker. #mochat9:21 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

For that, you’d just call the value method for the time after that marker. #mochat9:22 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Expressions. Read up, son! #mochat9:22 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

#mochat9:22 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

That’s what I was thinking. It can be a little inflexible (for example mid-loop), but gets part way there. #mochat9:23 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

I hear you, that would be great. Sounds like it would be too time consuming to set up though, if possible. #mochat9:23 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

See this example: http://t.co/cIs5iDOx #mochat9:23 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

gotcha yep 0 out a KF at the moment in time is a good way to stop an expression & quickwhip w/ expression controllers = Win! #mochat9:24 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

http://t.co/0UI7aKmK Yes this is a great series.. wish I knew about it when it came out. #mochat9:25 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

that makes a lot of sense! Good commands for starts and stops, thanks. #mochat9:25 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

“Expression example: Start or stop wiggle at specific time”: http://t.co/cIs5iDOx #mochat9:26 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

So what are some people’s favorite/most-used expressions? (If it doesn’t fit in a tweet, post a pic or use something like CloudApp.) #mochat9:26 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

RT : If you’re looking for basic definitions and such for expressions, start here: http://t.co/XCpiQWO5 #mochat9:26 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

RT : “Expression example: Start or stop wiggle at specific time”: http://t.co/cIs5iDOx #mochat9:28 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

late for #mochat. what i miss 🙂 #mochat9:28 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

I like expressions that link properties to audio, like one here Nathan uses for ducking audio: http://t.co/oY8akXSo #mochat9:29 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Triggering something at a marker. Commented: http://t.co/9YB50FSU Compact: http://t.co/z3TgC5KB #mochat9:29 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

RT : If you’re looking for basic definitions and such for expressions, start here: http://t.co/XCpiQWO5 #mochat9:29 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

i like sampleImage tied to text layers, can be helpful to have in context sample results. i know did a post on this #mochat9:30 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

inertial bounce FTW! #mochat9:30 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

RT : If you’re looking for basic definitions and such for expressions, start here: http://t.co/XCpiQWO5 #mochat9:30 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Just a few people expressing themselves… get it? Expressing? Expressions? Anyone? Is this thing on? #mochat9:31 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Do you ever look at the other easing expressions, like the ones in Ease & Wizz? #mochat9:32 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

recently did a great expressions course over . think its repeating this term. great stuff even for advanced users #mochat9:32 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

no, but only cause ive never needed too. i was actually looking at that today 🙂 #mochat9:32 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Just checked and it is. Was a great course. I took it last term. #mochat9:33 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Here’s a forum thread in which I show how to make a color sampler with a text layer and sampleImage: http://t.co/gVc86E4N #mochat9:33 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

#MoChat I use lots of wiggle and simple interpolation expressions. Embarrassed to say the math hangs me up often when move to the deep end.9:33 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

At ‘s suggestion I’ve started learning to keyframe some of them, actually. #mochat9:33 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Easy ans Wizz is great.. Theres also Mamoworlds. iExpressions which Ive never used but you can pick it up in segments #mochat9:34 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

basic but handy- wiggle in one dimension http://t.co/zmRg0DMg #mochat9:34 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

linear is great when tying together different paramaters. #mochat9:34 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

wrote up a snap in/out expression ive used quite a bit. #mochat9:34 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

#MathIsHard #mochat9:34 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

yeah the math can be tricky.. but just bringing in Math.sin or cos can help w/ tedious motion and even use for decay. #mochat9:35 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

my problem is i dont tend to save my expressions or if i do i lose them. #mochat9:35 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

speaking of math, how adept are you power users? Do you survive without that trig knowledge? #mochat9:35 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

We should do something to make that not a problem. #mochat9:35 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Did you ever use Expression Toolbox? #mochat9:35 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

i need an expression right now to get power on in lower manhattan and maybe some subways going so i can go back to work. #mochat9:36 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

It appears we’re at the link-sharing portion of the evening. Favorite resources to learn? Favorite links to expressions? #mochat9:36 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

another one i DLed and then never used #mochat9:36 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

loopOut is a great little expression that does just what is says loops between 2 kf, add 3rd kf it delays the loop by that amnt #mochat9:36 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Start bugging for that one. They’re also working on a time-travel one at ‘s urging, too. #mochat9:37 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

think my main issue is after writing something up to get it portable fo ruse in other projects #mochat9:37 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

I have it, and have been using it, but it seems to have issues with line breaks & tabs for new expressions. #mochat9:37 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

quickwip> lightbulb to generator.. #mochat9:37 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

sooner you know how to plot those eases yourself the sooner you reach for em everywhere. #mochat9:38 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

That sucks up so much of my time. It’s easy to get caught up in that when (at the time) it just needs to get done. #mochat9:38 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

I have an evernote notebook with my frequently used expressions #mochat9:38 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Still waiting on #FXPHD gathering of Expression on Bootcamp did we get that yet? #mochat9:39 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

saving them as an animation preset is handy. #mochat9:39 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

i learned a lot by threads at places like http://t.co/svSPRNiF great to learn by seeing people work through expression #mochat9:39 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

It will loop through any number of keyframes. #mochat9:40 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

yah, i have a page set up for that too. i just forget to use it #mochat9:40 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

itd be kinda cool if expression were more node base using the quickwip like Xpresso.. #mochat9:40 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Doesn’t look like it: https://t.co/88le28dP #mochat9:41 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

RT : itd be kinda cool if expression were more node base using the quickwip like Xpresso.. #mochat9:41 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

ahh see I usually used only 2 then added the 3rd one for offset. so if my kf were 1 sec apart. the 3rd one could offset it #mochat9:42 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

or writing them was like a developer environment with autocomplete, suggestions, etc. i think adobe makes a few of those… #mochat9:42 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

I’d love that. I’m _this_ close to writing a custom Coda library to help write longer expressions. #mochat9:44 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

But it would be great to have autocomplete/suggestions in the Expression box instead of a “dumb” text field. (cc ) #mochat9:45 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

time is my favorite.. plug that sucker anywhere & you have infinite movement or evolution or whatever. 8) then add some Math.__ #mochat9:45 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

DMN!! Comon HARRY!! #mochat9:46 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

RT : “Expression example: Start or stop wiggle at specific time”: http://t.co/cIs5iDOx #mochat9:46 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

what about loopin and loopout? dont be a hater man #mochat9:48 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

not only do i second/third this, i infinity this… >_< #mochat9:49 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

yeah time rocks, use it often #mochat9:49 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

With about 10 minutes left, does anyone have questions on some basic Expressions? #mochat9:50 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

lupin makes your expressions hairy every full moon.. and then you gotta shoot it w/ a silver bullet.. #BadWolf #mochat9:50 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

: I use Codebox for things like this, easy to store data on Dropbox and link up to many machines.” #mochat9:50 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

I encourage you to submit feature requests here: http://t.co/yE59kCiY That’s the best way to have your vote tallied. #mochat9:50 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Best way I know to turn expressions off is to link a variable to a slider you can animate. Works well for wiggle #mochat9:52 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

RT : If you’re looking for basic definitions and such for expressions, start here: http://t.co/XCpiQWO5 #mochat9:52 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

yep yep.. those expression controller I ignored for years are actually very handy.. #HeSaidMildlyEmbarassedToAdmit #mochat9:53 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

My main concern with expressions is that, for me, they tend to take longer to write/look up than to just keyframe/adjust manually. #mochat9:54 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

It depends on what you’re trying to accomplish, and how flexible it needs to be. #mochat9:55 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

the layer expression effect and sider expression effect i use all the time. #mochat9:55 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

I had a comp with hundreds of parented layers. A few sliders on the parent controlled all the children. Saved time. #mochat9:55 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

I’d say yes to that for overly complex ones. but the time you spend on the back end pays off during post time. #mochat9:55 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

tying expression params to the layer effect helps reusing complex expressions and retargetting to another layer #mochat9:56 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

personally i use scripts a bit and put them in my workspace as panels #mochat9:56 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

the posterize expression is also great when doing stop motion projects. can KF as usual but motion happens on X frames. #mochat9:57 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

feature request submitted! #mochat9:57 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

If someone is nervous about using expressions because they’re complicated, I recommend starting with these: http://t.co/EjcdTS8u #mochat9:57 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

distance to layer expressions can go a long way with that, actually. Write once, then save it for future. #mochat9:57 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Which expressions did you use mainly for that project? #mochat9:58 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

posterizeTime is great! #mochat9:58 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

IMO 3 most extremely helpful expression terms to learn & use daily. time/value/index learn to use these and watch your skills grow #mochat9:58 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Custom stuff based on difference of indexes btwn child & parent controlling z-distance, opacity, and solid composite. #mochat9:59 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

def need to try out posterize soon – great tip! #mochat9:59 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

I’d add valueAtTime to that list. #mochat9:59 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

the angle of the dangle is proportional to the heat of beat #mochat9:59 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

is there a hangout tonight after #mochat? I’m actually home in 10 minutes!10:00 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Im down.. #mochat10:00 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Ohh thats what I love about mochat I always learnz something. thanks PC.. #mochat10:01 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

I also have been using propertyGroup a lot for linking lately. #mochat10:01 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Touche, that does sound nice to have a formula with a project like that. #mochat10:01 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

you guys are trying to cut into my xbox time arent you…. #mochat10:02 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

I was using that to trigger already keyframed animation at layer markers. Super useful. #mochat10:02 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

That about does it for tonight everyone. But feel free to keep the conversation going. #mochat10:02 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

Also, remember to help with #Sandy by donating to the Red Cross http://t.co/JbL92F2s or other efforts. #mochat10:02 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

If you have friends on the East Coast, get in touch and see how they’re doing. And let them know we’re thinking of them. #mochat10:02 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

And a reminder to everyone that there will be no #MoChat next week. Go vote in the US!10:02 PM EDT Oct 30th, 2012

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