Last week’s #mochat about careers, markets, and getting to where you want to be was a busy one. There’s a lot of great knowledge in the transcript that really needs to be seen in context, so the summary this time is a little light. But a lot of people changed jobs, got into motion design through different avenues, and moved to get that great job. So know that no matter where you are, other people have paved the way before you. And we’re all here to help each other, so don’t be afraid to ask for advice!

Transcript

Welcome to #MoChat everyone! Tonight we’re talking careers, markets, and getting to where you want to be.9:00 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I ‘m like the only guy that doesn’t have one of those cool laptop stands. #MoChat9:00 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

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hi there buddy! #mochat9:00 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I will try to stop working enough to pay attention to this #mochat Been tough lately.9:00 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Tonight will be open ended and I’m sure a sprawling conversation, but we’ll try to keep things focussed. #mochat9:01 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

its not where you are it’s where your goin #mochat9:01 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

i dont either dude lol #mochat9:01 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

#MOCHAT | I quit high school early, became a ladies hairdresser, worked in bars, lived in Japan teaching English at the start of my career.9:01 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

To start things off, let’s hear about hat kind of careers and markets people are currently in. #mochat9:01 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

what’s up Mr. Claw! 🙂 #mochat9:01 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

RT : #MOCHAT | I quit high school early, became a ladies hairdresser, worked in bars, lived in Japan teaching English at the start of my career.9:02 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I hope this is true. #mochat9:02 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

RT : Welcome to #MoChat everyone! Tonight we’re talking careers, markets, and getting to where you want to be.9:02 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Currently working in the sometimes dreaded—often misunderstood—corporate video world after being “freelance” for several years. #mochat9:02 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I’m learning about the careers of people I geek out over. How about yourself? #mochat9:03 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

*what kind of careers. Not hat careers. Unless you actually are working with hats. #mochat9:03 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I started out in recording studios and live sound, moved to audio post production and picked up video editing along the way. #mochat9:03 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I studied music and business in college. graphics career didn’t start until after graduation #mochat9:04 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Then I watched Brian Maffit’s Total Training for AE on 9 VHS tapes and was hooked. #mochat9:04 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

At a juncture in my career, I want to move out of DC. Freelancing means I have freedom to go where I want. Just don’t know where. #mochat9:04 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Yes indeed. I have no formal design training. #mochat9:05 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I actually got into the #mograph scene because my dad & uncle were Art Directors. Followed in their footsteps. #mochat9:05 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

even the Hairdresser part!? What a crazy jump! #mochat9:05 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

#mochat right now I’m freelancing and just wrapped up a semester of adjunct teaching. After about 3 years of running a start up.9:06 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

if there was something you wished you did differently to get to where you are now what would it be? #mochat9:06 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Started out editing, & been thru all kinds of post, design and motion design shops. Now solo working w small clients independently #mochat9:06 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

stay the hell out of hollywood, figuratively and literally #mochat9:06 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I wanna move more into a 3d/vfx artist role … NYC is cool but I might do LA again … I just wanna be proud of my work again #mochat9:06 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I majored in CompSci in undergrad. Video was a hobby. Realized I wanted to be using creative programs, not writing them. #mochat9:06 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Going fresh out of school to a job at an agency where I’ve been working freelance, and scripting tools for AE in my spare time #mochat9:06 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

When people first started out in design (or whatever lead you to design), what were your aspirations? #mochat9:06 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I’ve wanted to move out of Milwaukee for years but my wife has so much family here never been able to convince her #mochat #mochat9:06 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Same here John, no design training. For me, I think that’s why I was always more technical than design oriented. #mochat9:06 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I went to a tech-savvy high school. Was into radio & TV there, studied art, photography, computer science…decided that for career. #mochat9:06 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I want to pick up teaching at some point. #mochat9:06 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Closest i’d do to LA is Ventura 😉 That place was nice. #mochat9:06 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

…got really bored early in college. Switched to TV, got job first, then school while working in TV. Learned fundamentals in 6 years. #mochat9:07 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

My wife has fam here in DC but she’s now ready to try a new place. #mochat9:07 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I think having a CS or any kind of technical background is often underrated in motion design. #mochat9:07 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

That’s a good question, what I’d do differently. Gonna think about that for a minute. #mochat9:08 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I’d love to do one hard-core year in LA & see if I could transition into good solid freelance after that. #mochat #mochat9:08 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I do recommend it. It’s been rewarding and frustrating. Like having kids 🙂 also helped me brush up on a lot. #mochat9:08 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Those were key for me when learning AE as well back whenever the heck that was … #mochat9:08 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

…went independent in ’90. Worked field audio, camera, grip, editor, settled on post in ’97. Full steam ahead since then. #mochat9:08 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Ugh. NYC & LA are too nutso for me. I am kicking around Denver & Philly. Close to NYC. I dunno. cc #mochat9:08 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I was lucky to get early access to software. Started with Photoshop at 8, AE at 14, basically just went from there. #mochat9:08 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I agree. I learned very quickly and was able to focus on design and not fighting the program. #mochat9:09 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I always entertain the thought of giving Portland/Seattle a go. #mochat9:09 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Think it was a lot easier to get started with the software back then — it was so much simpler! #mochat9:09 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Philly is damn close to NYC. Definitely doable for some commutes if you want to go that route. #mochat plus Pat’s!9:10 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

What helped you in your move up to Seattle? Did you land a FT gig or had enough freelance contacts there? #mochat9:10 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I’ve heard portland is blowin up for mograph right now … might be the time #mochat9:10 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

my wife is really close to her family. Plus we have 3 kids with a 4th on the way so don’t see us moving, ha #mochat9:10 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

One thing I have learned is to weigh changing markets carefully. There is always long ramp-up for independents. #mochat9:10 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Always wanted to make cool music videos (and music) … Film titles were an interest as well. #mochat9:10 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Went to school for film. Got an editing internship where I did no editing at all and stumbled into #mograph with After Effects. #mochat9:11 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Howdy from Las Vegas!! #mochat9:11 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I still want to do those things. #mochat9:11 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

that’s the downside to Philly. Doesn’t jump out to me as a heavy mograph area. #mochat9:11 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Video editing is still my forte but I love the creativity in motion graphics and it’s something I strive to get better at. #mochat9:11 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

My wife & I are actually thinking of planning a trip to Seattle & Portland to check it out #mochat9:11 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Portland. It helps that I have a full-time job with Red Giant. I moonlight on the side as a freelancer… #mochat9:11 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I did more shooting and production work before getting into #mgfx. I approach projects with the eye of a DP first, designer second. #mochat9:11 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

yeah & I don’t think my wife would be ready for the hours. At least now I’m home when I work freelance late. #mochat9:12 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

we won’t for long. It’s the Danny B farewell tour this season #mochat9:12 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Portland seems to be a dropping off point for burnt out folks from LA. I’ve run into quite a few around town. #mochat9:12 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

2 friends of mine just moved out there and they love it #mochat9:12 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Initially, I wanted to edit fictional features/docs in Hwood. Then I talked to enough people who went there to change my mind. #mochat9:12 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

This was in Chicago in 1998. Over the years, I got proficient in using AVID, FCP, and After Effects. Worked at many post houses. #MOCHAT9:12 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

How did you land the RG job? You were freelancing in MI until then, right? #mochat9:13 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

And now, I freelance in the Twin Cities. Interesting to hear all of your backgrounds. #MOCHAT9:13 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Back to the original question about aspirations, I think I always wanted to do something that was both creative and tech. challenge #mochat9:13 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I think having worked a variety of fields (and workflows/software) helps a lot. #mochat9:13 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

take your time 🙂 here’s an easier one (possibly) – advice for someone getting into freelance? #mochat9:13 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I was trying to open a studio with , but he wasn’t having it 🙂 #MoChat9:14 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Where in MSP? I just moved here a year ago and need to meet more mographers. #mochat9:14 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Er, Portland sorry haha. So Red Giant being based in Portland drove your decision basically? #mochat9:14 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I was in Detroit, but my freelance was dragging me further out to find work (Chicago, Nashville) #mochat9:14 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Then an opportunity presented itself to co-run a motion design shop in LA. #mochat9:15 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

really? I guess I only hear the good parts on the east coast #mochat9:15 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Do you find Portland to have a good market for freelance in motion graphics? #mochat9:15 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Absolutely. I never thought I’d love #mograph as much as I do, much less do it for a living. I’m glad I fell into it. #MOCHAT9:15 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

#mochat i went to school for art but taught myself programming and work as a developer doing self taught mograph on the side9:15 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Portland was chosen for: cost of living, schools, city size/culture, production community. #mochat9:15 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

RT : I wanted to edit fictional features/docs in Hwood. Then I talked to enough people who went there to change my mind. #mochat9:15 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

We’ve been hearing a lot about how people sort of wandered about in careers. What about the future? What do you want to be doing? #mochat9:16 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I am currently in the Highland area in St. Paul. Across the street from St. Kate’s. How about yourself? #MOCHAT9:16 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

with the state of shops nowadays doesn’t that deter running your own place? #mochat9:16 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Live in SW Minneapolis… Kenny neighborhood. Work in NE on the river. #mochat9:16 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

My wife is a 2nd grade special ed teacher so that’s also a big factor in moving; if the schools are good. #mochat9:17 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Same here. #mochat9:17 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

1. I got my degree at San Diego State in TV/Film Production. Worked cam/lighting at PBS . #mochat9:17 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I wish to pick your mind sometime on Portland. #mochat9:17 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

We should do what they do in Chicago: Set up a local bi-weekly get together over beers for post professionals. #mochat #withbeer9:17 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

mograph is what I want to be doing but i still lack confidence and have much to learn still #mochat9:17 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

regardless where my career takes me I just wanna wake up, work hard, make cool shit, learn, evolve my style and live happily #mochat9:18 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

There’s quite a bit going on. Shop owners I’ve spoken to seem to suggest that there is a bit of a dearth of PDX talent #mochat9:18 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

2. Got job offer at huge post house in SLC. (CMX/AMPEX/GVG) . Dream job. Worked there 18 years. Then they went out of business. #mochat9:18 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

amen, brother! #mochat9:18 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I really want to focus on projects that I actually want to work on, things that get me excited. #mochat9:18 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I think a lot of us feel that way. That’s the problem w/knowledge, the more you know, the more you know you don’t know. #mochat9:19 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

3. Got job offer in small video boutique in Vegas. Worked there for 8 years. Then they went out of business. #mochat9:19 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I’m not a professional but I’d be down with a meet up; im only up in Fargo #mochat9:19 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

amen to that … getting paid in Hell-A is a bitch #mochat9:19 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

We could even get on the scene. #mochat #withbeer9:19 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I wanted to do something creative. I’ve done a lot of graphic design, but there’s nothing like motion graphics. #mochat9:19 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I tried doing that in Milwaukee. Didn’t pan out too well. #mochat9:19 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I’m doing it. I’d like to be doing it more profitably and be able to sustain a career for the next 10-15 yrs. #mochat9:19 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I just don’t understand why it’s so hard for us … but everyday we work towards something better #mochat9:19 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I think it’s a rite of passage: working for a place that goes under #mochat9:19 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

4. Trying to fine some video editing/mograph niche jobs that I can telecommute using my great home edit bay. #mochat9:20 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I made an entire level in Duke Nukem 3D’s level editor, and loved working in 3D. How I ended up in Motion Graphics, Im not sure. #mochat9:20 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

and the people that know a shitload about the programs are usually the worst designers … balance is important #mochat9:20 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

REALLY?! Seem to see lots of great folks up that way … #mochat9:20 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

In fact let’s just say it. The H’Wood dream is a mirage when it comes to post work. MHO of course. #mochat9:20 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

sometimes the best step to the future is to the side-pivoting in a new direction to break your mind of old habits #mochat9:20 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I started as an intern at a local news station in Pittsburgh & got to where I am now freelancing. Gotta keep workin hard! #mochat9:21 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

these words sound familiar! #mochat9:21 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Goes the other way, too… #mochat9:21 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

What do you think of the convergence between mograph for broadcast vs. web? Lots of explainer videos being produced. #mochat9:21 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

People not getting along? Not enough turnout? I think it’d be great to meet with others who share talents and interests. #MOCHAT9:21 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Turnout… #mochat9:21 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I feel like editing is harder to do remote unless you have an existing good relationship with director/producer/client. #mochat9:22 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

There is a lot of talent, but I think it’s expanding a little quicker than it can be filled. #mochat9:22 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Pro or no-pro; come on down! #MOCHAT9:22 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

i did the same. Duke Nukem, quake, doom, unreal tournament, etc. #mochat9:22 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

The jobs are there but just not a lot of talented mograph peeps? #mochat9:22 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

To me it’s just a different medium. Web video is still being figured out, though… regardless of what people say. #mochat9:22 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I wish to one day move back into video games. #mochat9:23 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

We should organize something anyway. Worse case, we make connections and get out of the office. #mochat9:23 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I would agree with that kinda-best advice is to diversify to other markets like corporate and medical #mochat9:23 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I spout alot of shit … but my shit is consistant. People say I should do seminars haha #mochat9:23 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

theres so much overlap now. #mochat9:23 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

True. In the past clients would sit with me once, then after that drop stuff off and say “Be creative and have fun”.#mochat9:24 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I bet there’ll be a lot of interested folks looking that way once this chat is done. 😉 #mochat9:24 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

that the awesomeness of it … enough technical know-how to make your imagination move #mochat9:24 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

So what about markets? Some people have moved around. What drew you to where you are now, if you’ve moved? #mochat9:24 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I do most of my #mograph work remotely, but my editing work is for local clients. #MOCHAT9:25 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I’ve been trying to define my market not as a geographic area but with clients who share my sensibility (and want my style) #mochat9:25 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

corporate and medical! Hey I resemble that remark. #mochat9:25 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

A ful time job 😀 RT : So what about markets? Some people have moved around. What drew you to where you are now, ? #mochat9:25 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I started out as a green screen tech … I got my first job because I read the FCP manual cover to cover haha #mochat9:25 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Chicago had an emerging scene for Motion, I moved here right at the start of one of the most active exciting communities. #mochat9:26 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

the internet makes it a lot easier to do that. I’ve got clients all over now. Just have to keep hustling to find new. #mochat9:26 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

LA was a trip. So many talented people & so much work going on. Can’t seem to walk 100 ft without passing a design shop #mochat9:26 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I started as an intern at MAXON, proofing the R9.5 update tutorials, doing more CG, then Rigging, then Scripting. #mochat9:26 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Ah, when manuals were still printed and the box weighed 7 pounds. #mochat9:26 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Where I am now is purely for life reasons, and has hindered me from getting a fair amount of work (since I can only do remote) #mochat9:26 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

#mochat AMEN to a full time job!9:27 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

thats one of the things i like most about mograph, i get to really let out my creativity #mochat9:27 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Do you have to bring your own clients into Independent? Or are you talking after-hours freelance? #mochat9:27 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Now your lucky if you can own the software (ADOBE) 😀 RT : Ah, when manuals …weighed 7 pounds. #mochat9:27 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

But I am happy with the trade-off and do not miss working onsite and 60+ hr weeks. #mochat9:27 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

DC is expensive for sure. CHEAPER places to go if you are freelance. #mochat9:27 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I don’t work with anything local or anything that might have a conflict. It’s all after hours freelance. #mochat9:27 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Indeed! #MOCHAT9:28 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I guess the question I hear more often than any with regard to region is “should I move to LA/NYC” #mochat9:28 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

For 30 years Ive work full time as an editor (or senior editor). On my own is new experience and dead in Vegas. #mochat9:28 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

DC market is strong with govt and non-profit work. Budgets are shrinking and #mgfx is seen as a solution to production. #mochat9:28 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I don’t mind working long weeks, but it’s a lot nicer to work FT for 40 & control what I want to do at home. #mochat9:28 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

is a FT job really all that its cracked up to be? Not so in my experience. It’s why I’m going freelance #mochat9:29 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

it was FCP HD too … before ProRes. I think that book gave me a hernia haha #mochat9:29 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

“Solution to production” is a good way to put it (and not just for DC). #mochat9:29 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

What was that… 4.5? #mochat9:29 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Definitely. Move to a better market w/ lower cost of living. We’ve never met, huh? Gotta change that! 🙂 #mochat9:29 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

The grass is always greener. #mochat9:29 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Depends on what you want out of the job and where it is. #mochat9:30 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

#mochat For me, it was steady work w/ clients and I had to support a family.9:30 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I love being staff, actually. Makes my life a lot saner and more stable. #mochat9:30 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I’ve wrestled with that for 5+ years now. Hard to drag your family out there with all the unknown. #mochat9:30 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

FCP3 son … hella old school #mochat9:30 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Was just about to say the same thing. #mochat9:30 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

evening mo_peeps! #mochat9:30 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I started on AE 5. Learned C4D starting with R10.5. #mochat9:30 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I couldn’t remember when they added “HD”. I started on FCP1… #offmylawn #mochat9:31 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

That’s interesting. Maybe I should work on my networking a bit more 😉 #mochat9:31 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Howdy! RT : evening mo_peeps! #mochat9:31 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

RT : #MOCHAT | I quit high school early, became a ladies hairdresser, worked in bars, lived in Japan teaching English at the start of my career.9:31 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Evening to you! #mochat9:31 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

ha, currently I buy books on the programs to replace those “trophies” 🙂 #mochat9:31 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Good evening, Ronn! #MoChat9:32 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Been cramming C4D last 2 weeks. Lucky I found great tuts. on Lynda. #mochat9:32 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

How do you find remote work? I’ve relocated to Philly, there is a market here, but just discovering it. #mochat9:33 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

With every year that passes, No. Lived in LA in the early 2000’s stated as a PA on commercials and camera apprentice. #MOCHAT9:33 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Me, as well. is fantastic with those! #mochat9:33 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Twitter, vimeo, GSG, motionographer jobs; I’ve gotten work from all. Plus word of mouth. #mochat9:33 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

With FT, at least you have steady income. Talk to other designers or directors. Get name out. #mochat9:33 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

My experience once leaving NYC was to keep freelancing for some of the same studios I worked w/ there for a few years … #mochat9:33 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

rob is my c4d hero. he got me to think outside of the box when i started with c4d #mochat9:34 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

You got work from GSG? #mochat9:34 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

IMHO secret to success (#1) is being driven by passion. You will only make it in this biz if you have passion for doing this work. #mochat9:34 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

IMHO secret to success (#1b) That goes double or triple if you are going freelance or independent. #mochat9:34 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I would love to work within a studio setting. The hardest with freelance is not being around more creative ppl. #mochat9:34 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

People contacted me from doing some of the 5 second projects. Got some decent work out of that. #mochat9:34 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Do any freelancers here use any other online resources (like Guru or eLance) to find work? Any problems with them? #MoChat9:34 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

while also building up a body of independent work with my own clients (some pro-bono, etc) and lots of referrals … #mochat9:34 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I do miss being around other designers who speak my language. #mochat9:35 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

IMHO secret to success (#2) is learning contentment. Which is not the same thing as complacency. #mochat9:35 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I’ve always been suspect of those places. #mochat9:35 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

#mochat currently FT at Austin PBS, working the ‘jack of all trades’ aspect producing/editing my own series, gfx for natl shows9:35 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

ive used guru before. ive only ever had 1 problem.. and it was a dozy #MoChat9:35 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

well like I say … Either you work because you love this shit or GTFO! #mochat9:35 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Ironic because most of my projects start with a cube… #mochat9:35 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Yeah, I’m done with the govt & politicals work in this area. Need more advertising gigs that allow more creativity. #mochat9:35 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Though I guess that’s what Twitter and chats like this are for. #mochat9:35 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

That’s the tough part about working remotely from home, the lack of people around me to get ideas and inspiration from. #mochat9:36 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

YES!!! RT : well like I say … Either you work because you love this shit or GTFO! #mochat9:36 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

step one gotta get my website looking nice this wkend. Thanks for the tips! #mochat9:36 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

which is why you better sign up for #mochat9:36 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

really!? (maybe I should start doin the 5 second projects haha) #mochat9:36 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

The only problem I’ve found are the VERY low budgets the clients have. Any other suggestions for resources? #mochat9:36 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

was that a “you just never win either way” remark? #mochat9:36 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

IMHO secret to success (#3): Find sustainability. Especially if you want to have a family. Right clients+Right projects+Fair rates. #mochat9:36 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

#MOCHAT | Set up your twitter feed to follow key words such as freelance, mograph, 3D, Cinema 4D, After Effects etc. Great way to find work.9:36 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

ive thought about doing a 5 second project but never mustard up the nerve #mochat9:36 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

When’s the next one? Maybe I’ll actually do it. #mochat9:36 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I’ve had a few issues there. It’s funny how many people have found ME through Guru, and not the other way around. #mochat9:37 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

You’d be surprised how many hits your video will get on Vimeo, especially if it’s solid. #mochat9:37 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

haha. True. #mochat9:37 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

its may 2nd. go sign up son. #mochat9:37 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I will keep my promise!! #mochat9:37 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Philly huh? How are you liking it there? Philly is one of my potential cities. Hows the mograph market? #mochat9:37 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Hmmm. I’m listening’! What is it? #mochat9:37 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

IMHO secret to success (#4) is reinvest in yourself. Skills development, creative development, gear/software. Top of your game. #mochat9:37 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

here ya go then http://t.co/eLEvktcZJ6 #mochat9:38 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I think it’s more about trying to appreciate what you have, really. I tend to lose focus on the “now”. #mochat9:38 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

How many of you have families? How has that affected your choices in markets/career? #mochat9:38 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Website is really key. Get it looking good & keep adding new work when possible. #mochat9:38 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I got 4,000 hits on a music video project….but none led to work 🙁 #mochat9:38 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

They do, don’t they? #mochat9:38 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Those always seem like more trouble than they are worth. Better off spending time on you own project. #Mochat9:38 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Haven’t done much political work. Lots of non-profit work for me. The creative work is out there. #mochat9:38 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

you mean you dont know? think of layer tennis but with c4d and a better system #mochat9:38 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Oh my god. I need to switch with you. #mochat9:39 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I have a wife, and 2 & 5 year old boys. Everything I do is ultimately for them. #mochat9:39 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I think it helps my process to have friendly competition among peers though. Different for everyone though. #mochat9:39 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Great advice, all 4 points. Especially love #2. #mochat #mochat9:39 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

By the way… #mochat http://t.co/vDI3mELigS9:39 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Reading up on it now. You may see me there soon enough. #mochat9:39 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Nothing wrong with that. #mochat9:40 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

it’s just the timing sucks … can’t you make it a weekend or something? #mochat9:40 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

That is the vibe I’ve been getting lately. #mochat9:40 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

RT : I have a wife, and 2 & 5 year old boys. Everything I do is ultimately for them. #mochat9:40 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

family has had huge impact on career choices for me. #mochat9:40 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

haha, 3 kids with a 4th on the way! Definitely affects choices 🙂 #mochat9:40 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

All My Children is Trending?? Saweet!! #mochat9:40 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

what do you use to auto search twitter? #mochat9:41 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

It sounds like it! I’m fairly new to the C4D game, which is prob why it’s new to me. #mochat9:41 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

LOL #mochat9:41 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

You do whatever it takes to put food on the table, and a roof over their heads. #mochat9:41 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Congrats on No. 4! #mochat9:42 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I chose LA to be near the work so I can provide for my family. But after a few years, I realized we couldn’t really settle there. #mochat9:42 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

when is next AE User group meeting? Maybe double up on that? #mochat9:42 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Are there big things you wish you had learned prior to entering the market? #mochat9:43 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

How’s the Seattle market these days in terms of work? #Mochat9:43 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I’m watching a clip from it now. I’m definitely signing up for this. #mochat9:43 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Good idea:) #mnAE #mochat9:43 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

It was so gradual for me. Sound recording to audio post to video editing to graphics and then motion design. #mochat9:43 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I set up columns in Tweetdeck for key words. #mochat9:43 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

On taking gigs: I’ve always said: “There’s projects you do for love of the game, and those you do to stay in the game.” #mochat9:43 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

that is exactly what i did john 🙂 #mochat9:44 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Sorry to catch the end of #mochat. Still on the mend here. But I am up for a hangout for those interested 🙂9:44 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

this time the theme is ‘evolution’ #mochat9:45 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

So, I never really “entered” at one point, I inched my way in for about 5 years. Learned slowly over time. #mochat9:45 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Nice quote! #mochat9:45 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

That’s right. John somebody from a studio in NE runs it, right? (real specific…) #mochat9:45 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

That sounds like a good idea. Is there an AE User Group meeting in MN? #mochat9:45 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Going to be talking about recent inspiration, and c4d bits for the after #mochat hangout9:45 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

“Some for the meal and some for the reel.” #mochat9:45 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

RT : “Some for the meal and some for the reel.” #mochat9:45 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

My mentor always said “Some projects you do for the reel, some you do for the meal.” #mochat9:45 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Bring any tips/news/plugins you have found recently to the after #mochat hangout 🙂9:45 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Late to the party #mochat9:46 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I’ll be signing up right after this! #mochat9:46 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

What is the ratio of decent work vs. work that makes it to your reel? #mochat9:46 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

you do it now son, right now lol #mochat9:46 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Do you want to edit some docs here in the midwest? #mochat9:46 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Hi Eve. Sorry I havent responded. Im watching #mochat on the Tweetchat browser and I didnt see you there.9:46 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

#mochat First job will never be your dream job. I cranked out a massive number of terrible local car commercials for chump change.9:47 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

RT : By the way… #mochat http://t.co/vDI3mELigS9:47 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I’d also say be careful of your dream job too. The whole “Never meet your heroes” thing. #mochat9:47 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

In Charlotte, NC. Moved here for print design job @ magazine. Was given opp to switch to mogfx within same company. Loving it. #mochat9:47 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

SO true. At 1st job I once had to babysit a dub of 10,000 VHS tapes about colon hydrotherapy. #mochat9:48 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

1 to 10 #Mochat9:48 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

late on this. but major effect with the family. Wife didn’t want to move, so I stayed in the area. Rural area. #mochat9:48 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

i met who is one of my heroes and he is awesome so screw that quote lol #mochat9:48 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

#mochat But I learned how to work fast, meet impossible deadlines, and appreciate better assignments when I moved on.9:48 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I am very intrigued. Had no idea there was a User group in the Twin Cities. Doubling up sounds good. #mochat9:48 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

We’re approaching the final 10 minutes of “official” #mochat time…9:48 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

ha, and now you have a book, that’s cool. #mochat9:49 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

but I’m happy and love my family, so its not a bad effect at all. I’d do it again in a heartbeat. #mochat9:49 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

that sounds disturbing #mochat9:49 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

If you could say something to your fresh/green self when you were starting out, what would it be? #mochat9:49 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

WOW time flys?! I wish my renders were this fast, hehe #mochat9:49 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

You mean for every 10 pieces, one makes it to your reel? #mochat9:49 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Man, I must be looking in the wrong places or something. Most of my clients are from out of town. #mochat9:50 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Yeah, location is a big thing when it comes to following dream jobs #mochat9:50 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

It has its disadvantages, but thankfully I’m close enough to some major cities to get some steady work. #mochat9:50 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I did the same, at a corporate automotive production house in Detroit. Lots of quick jobs. I learned a lot. #mochat9:50 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

RT : “Some for the meal and some for the reel.” #mochat9:50 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

ditto RT : i met who is one of my heroes and he is awesome so screw that quote lol #mochat9:50 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Don’t chase “high profile” work. Just do what’s interesting, especially the small stuff. #mochat9:50 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I was so excited for my first job out of school and then…yeah, what you said. #mochat9:50 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

that makes sense. Did you go to school for sound and then get a gig from that? Imagine it’s kinda similar #mochat9:51 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Ain’t no thang! Fun you have PBS background. Going from commercial to non-profit was confusing at 1st. #mochat9:51 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Never sell yourself short! Ever! #mochat9:51 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

RT : On taking gigs: I’ve always said: “There’s projects you do for love of the game, and those you do to stay in the game.” #mochat9:51 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Don’t ever be cocky. #mochat9:51 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Totally agree. #mochat9:51 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

and honestly, I don’t know if my dream was chasing a big title or career. I’m happy and fortunate to do it #mochat9:51 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

RT : #MOCHAT | Set up your twitter feed to follow key words such as freelance, mograph, 3D, Cinema 4D, After Effects etc. Great way to find work.9:51 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

MNAEUG http://t.co/EpmJlfb7pJ #mochat9:52 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Also, get in over your head. Then dig yourself out… or at least enough to see daylight. #mochat9:52 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

#MOCHAT | Consistency, consistency, consistency.9:52 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

no clue that you were in the Philly area! #mochat9:52 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Thanks, man! Don’t know how I missed this. #mochat9:52 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

i would say dont worry what anyone thinks and do not listen when you are told you cant do it. #mochat9:52 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Such a good question. Might be like 30% for the reel and 70% other … #mochat9:52 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

You will NEVER stop learning! #mochat9:53 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

That’s a BIG one. #mochat9:53 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I’d tell myself the financial implications of being self-employed. They didn’t teach the business side of freelancing at my school. #mochat9:53 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

shouldn’t it be: work, get better, beer, sleep, work, get better, beer, sleep 😉 #mochat9:53 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Well, honestly, my biggest dream is to work for big productions and concepts, but from my house 🙂 #mochat9:53 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

RT : MNAEUG http://t.co/EpmJlfb7pJ #mochat9:53 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Don’t ever work for a company with an org chart. #mochat9:54 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

And what would you ask your future self? #mochat9:54 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Good chair #mochat9:54 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

What would I say to my young self? Work hard & remember client is the guy paying ur mortgage, Make them happy & become their go-to. #mochat9:54 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Don’t cut corners. Don’t take shortcuts. Invest the time. Find work you have conviction & passion for. Give away your “secrets.” #mochat9:54 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I think a lot of people get caught up in the idea of “I want to work at Blur/Buck/Blind”. Let it happen organically, don’t force it. #mochat9:54 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

you know it. I think the client relationship trumps the current job at hand. Be a good person to work with. #mochat9:54 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

<- Works for a company with an org chart. #mochat9:54 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Yeah, I feel the same. For every 3 pieces, 1 might make the reel. #mochat9:54 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Was everything you did worth it to the people that saw it? RT : And what would you ask your future self? #mochat9:55 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

That’s a nice one. RT : Also, get in over your head. Then dig yourself out… or at least enough to see daylight. #mochat9:55 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I don’t think they teach that stuff anywhere. #mochat9:55 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Stay out of debt as much as possible!! #mochat #mochat9:55 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

RT : Don’t ever work for a company with an org chart. #mochat9:55 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I’m working for a company with a very large org chart. And right now I like it. #mochat9:55 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

ditto. Ouch. #mochat9:55 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

#MOCHAT | My future self? That’s easy.. sports scores.9:55 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Yep, I went to http://t.co/fveDLqnVd5 and then progressed from there. #mochat9:55 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Isn’t is awesome that we work in a field where stuff like that is feasible and possible? #mochat9:56 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I thought about sending my first reel to . Happy just talking with & , though. #mochat9:56 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

i would ask for some buffalo wings…. and i think i would comply #mochat9:56 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I think the problem was that it was changing every week at the end there. That got weird. #mochat9:56 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

What would I say to my young self? Try everything, don’t sleep, FAIL a lot, try again, and above all, turn on AUTOSAVE:) #mochat9:56 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

What did you regret not doing? #mochat9:56 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I’ve trusted my instincts from day one. If I can meet my own impossibly high standards, then the clients will love it. #mochat9:56 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

“learn moar maths and AI, read everything” – words to my younger self & “dont get used to that hair..” #mochat9:56 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

there’s your answer ! Unfortunately. #mochat9:56 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

RT : #MOCHAT | Consistency, consistency, consistency.9:56 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

You handsome Brute! Don’t you ever die! #mochat9:56 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

lottery numbers for this upcoming weekend? #mochat9:57 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

You’re taking Biff’s route, huh? #BacktotheFuture2 #mochat9:57 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

That’s cool. Like the “let it happen organically” post. Thanks for the replies, Harry. Great to learn from. #mochat9:57 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

We’re just about out of “official” time… #mochat9:57 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I regret not staying in contact with people from school. #mochat9:58 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

RT : “Some for the meal and some for the reel.” #mochat9:58 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Not exactly a regret, but as independent I’ve had to make my peace with not being able to punch out & stop thinking about work. #mochat9:58 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

lol!#mochat9:58 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

share your knowledge #mochat9:58 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Copy the masters when you are starting out, after doing that for a while, you’ll develop your own voice. #mochat9:58 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

PC or MAC? #mochat9:59 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

“Which took priority… your career or your family?” I love what I do, but I don’t want to miss out on life. #mochat9:59 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

RT : share your knowledge #mochat9:59 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I learned everything I know and love about AE from 🙂#mochat9:59 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I love what I do. But I won’t let it be my life. #mochat9:59 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Hey and don’t make spec work. Do stuff that’s your own. That you OWN. #mochat9:59 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I had about 5 years of meal gigs and then was laid off. That’s why I started doing tutorials because my reel sucked. #mochat10:00 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

knowledge is free and no one likes an asshole 😉 #mochat10:00 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

RT : I love what I do. But I won’t let it be my life. #mochat10:00 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

that is the hardest thing I struggle with–finding the balance. Even as I type this. #mochat10:00 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

who are today’s Masters to you? #mochat10:00 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

you poor poor bastard.. 8) #mochat10:00 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

RT : knowledge is free and no one likes an asshole 😉 #mochat10:00 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Career was 1st when you are young. Once you have a family, it is a juggling act until you get past 40. Then, it is family! #mochat10:00 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Everything kind of changed for me when I became a parent. Wanted to stay close to family. #mochat10:00 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

I have been a #mochat lurker for the last hour. Thanks 10:00 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

keep experimenting, keep learning, keep accepting challenges #mochat10:00 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

🙂#mochat10:00 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Amen to that! #mochat10:01 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

This was a good turnout. Thanks for coming out everyone! But keep the conversation going. And is running a hangout after #MoChat10:01 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

RT : keep experimenting, keep learning, keep accepting challenges #mochat10:01 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Look for the #mochat transcript in the coming days.10:01 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

Did we win? #mochat10:01 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013

And as always, #GoMakeSomething! #mochat10:01 PM EDT Apr 23rd, 2013